X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion **SPOILERS!**

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by StarTrek1701, May 31, 2011.

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How Much Did You Enjoy X-MEN: FIRST CLASS?

Poll closed Oct 28, 2011.
  1. A+ (Great Movie!)

    73 vote(s)
    35.6%
  2. A (Entertained a lot!)

    93 vote(s)
    45.4%
  3. B (Was okay, not bad)

    30 vote(s)
    14.6%
  4. C (Below expectations)

    6 vote(s)
    2.9%
  5. D (Very bad)

    2 vote(s)
    1.0%
  6. F (Intolerable, want money back)

    1 vote(s)
    0.5%
  1. KB24

    KB24 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Hated, hated Cloverfield! And honestly, my husband was initially floored by the 09 Trek, but once he started watching TOS and TNG, he flat out said to me there is a lot less heart and soul and more flash in the reboot. I'm really in no rush to see anything Abrams does.

    And I'm sorry, but I just have to say, the consensus here is that Fassbender is the best, and Zoe Kravitz is one of the worst- contested with JJ of course. So, is it strange that I find something at odds in the fact that MF and Zoe are dating? Did the script really just serve him better or his he that much more talented? A little of both? If there is a sequel, I somehow hope Angel and Emma Frost are not in it.

    I really don't understand why they couldn't have had a recruitment montage, but when the battle came on, left the kids at home so to speak. Like in the original where not everyone at the school is actually one of the team. They really didn't need any of the young mutants beyond Beast and Mystique.
     
  2. Captaindemotion

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    Like I say, this from someone who wrote lines for Emilie DeRavn?
     
  3. Broccoli

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    Just saw FC tonight. It was alright. I am not blown away by it the way many others here seem to be. I really feel that they tried to cram too much stuff in the movie that, in the end, made it feel forced. Mainly, I am referring to Prof. X's handicap and Magneto's "turn to evil" at the end. Was either really needed in this movie? I don't mean this as a case of whether or not it matches with the other movies. It just seemed like it happened just because it had to happen.

    Magneto's belief about humans seems to come out of nowhere as it is never really foreshadowed at all earlier in the movie. Mag's was all about "gotta get Kevin Bacon" and didn't have much to say about "humans hate mutants". That really needed to be explored more.

    I also didn't buy Prof. X's friendship with Mags. By the middle of the film, they were shown to be getting close (with an unintentional hilarious homosexual undertone), but there really wasn't any solid foundation for that. It just went from "we're associates" to "we are bff" in a blink.

    There were some other narrative problems the film had (such as the time it took for the Russians deciding to move their ships to Cuba to actually doing it was enough time for our heroes to perfect their powers, create uniforms and other personal technology, make a serum, and update a jet) and some very poor characterization (did anyone really care about any of the other mutants who were not Prof. X, Mags, Kevin Bacon, or Mystique?).

    I know I am ragging on it. It had good stuff too. I plan to check it out again when it comes on DVD. I may have missed some things that would help my perception of the film in addition to being in a better mood when watching it (I saw behind the most obnoxious person ever in a theatre - so bad, that she was even answered her phone during the movie!!).
     
  4. KB24

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    ^ Who *didn't* have an ignorant person on the phone as part of their theater going experience?

    Seriously I don't know what is so difficult for these people to understand!
     
  5. StarTrek1701

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    The movie was simply incomplete, rushed and felt like it didn't add anything to the X-Men movie mythos. A shame. :(
     
  6. Admiral_Young

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    Considering that you already started with the opinion that the production was rushed, I'm not surprised that you feel that way about it still StarTrek1701. It's a shame that you feel that way. I will agree that there was a lot of stuff the film covered...that probably comes from the script being rewritten and worked on by six or seven different writers. I don't agree that it was incomplete. I feel that it works fine as a self-contained film or as the start of a new trilogy. I'm not sure how anyone can say that it didn't add to the X-Men "Movie mythos". I thought did a good job of doing just that.
     
  7. StarTrek1701

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    I feel absolutely opposite. Yes I felt it was rushed (and Matthew Vaughn said it himself in numerous interviews) and the product showed. Here are the troubling things from the movie:

    - Erik and Charles' friendship lasted just a month? From that they gleaned things about each other that is only accumulated after years of friendship?

    - Mystique's quite the easy character! Not calling her a slut, but for her to jump through wanting affections from Charles to Henry to Erik.. Mystique's a manipulator but here she seemed too innocent to have a want for that kind of behavior.

    - Sebastian Shaw can turn any and all kinds and amounts of energy into stored energy and then transfer it back out? Why not then get Emma to make certain generals and military members think she is part of a team, break into a nuclear facility and let Shaw take the energies for himself and then hold various nations hostage? In that light, Shaw's actions seemed pretty convuluted and unnecessary.

    - How the hell did the Russians know how to create a psi-scan safe helmet? And why give Shaw such a tech anyways?

    - What's the back story for Azazel to be Shaw's dog like that? Does Shaw have a biological hold on Azazel for his unwavering loyalty?

    - And speaking of Azazel's power, why can't he just *BAMF! into a nuclear holding facility and grab all the nukes one by one and steal them to a safe place?

    Those are just the few thoughts from the top of my head. There are other things as well that bothered me about the movie on so many different levels. :(
     
  8. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    I agree with Brocolli
     
  9. Shazam!

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    I thought it was okay but I've said since day 1 that I didn't think this movie was 'needed' in the sense of relaunching an X-Men franchise and I still feel that way.

    I also thought that red Nightcrawler, Storm Man, Banshee, Beast etc existed in this movie for no other reason than to fight each other at the end.
     
  10. Shazam!

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    I thought it was okay but I've said since day 1 that I didn't think this movie was 'needed' in the sense of relaunching an X-Men franchise and I still feel that way.

    I also thought that red Nightcrawler, Storm Man, Banshee, Beast etc existed in this movie for no other reason than to fight each other at the end.
     
  11. David cgc

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    How do you take a photograph of an astral projection?
     
  12. Ensign_Redshirt

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    This might be a dumb (and already debated) question... but am I correct to assume that First Class basically ignores The Last Stand and Origins: Wolverine, while acknowledging the first two X-Men films as Canon?

    The Last Stand and Origins: Wolverine showed a de-aged Patrick Stewart still walking, so this rules them both out. However, I don't see any discontinuites between X-Men, X2, and First Class. In fact, both X-Men and First Class start with exactly the same opening sequence. The cameos by Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Romjin could further confirm the canonicity of the first two films.

    So there's basically the Singerverse, consisting of X-Men, X2, and First Class and the (for the lack of a better term) Arad/Winterverse consisting of X-Men, X2, The Last Stand, and Origins: Wolverine. The former films were all produced by Bryan Singer, the latter sequence shares Avi Arad and Ralph Winter as producers... among others.
     
  13. CaptainCanada

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    No, there are seeming discontinuities with the first two films (Beast, for instance, albeit that's a minor thing; Magneto's statement concerning Cerebro)
     
  14. Set Harth

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    It's not a lack of understanding, it's a lack of consequences and respect for others. You get that a lot with the offspring of cocaine addicts.

    That certainly seems to be what a lot of people wanted, but the director has said that it's a reboot and isn't constrained by any of the films.
     
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  15. Samurai8472

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    How did Shaw know about the CIA headquarters location and the mutant recruits?
     
  16. Broccoli

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    He read the script?
     
  17. Admiral_Young

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    "X-Men: First Class" dropped to second place taking in a respectable $25 million this weekend. "Super 8" claimed top spot with $38 million. Still wouldn't call First Class a flop yet.
     
  18. Broccoli

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    No. First Class doesn't ignore them than anymore than it ignores the first two. Prof. X walking is really the only major discontinuity, and even that is extraordinarily minor.
     
  19. T'Baio

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    Well, there was the scene interspersed with the montage where Emma implicitly states in dialogue that she can feel Professor X reaching out with his mind, that somehow he's amplified his telepathy and that they must be recruiting. Presumably she could tell where his "reaching out" was coming from.
     
  20. CaptainCanada

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    He's shown to have numerous sources in the US government; shouldn't be that difficult.

    As to the box office, I wouldn't say it's a flop, but they're disappointing numbers, which is dispiriting given that this is arguably the best film in the series.