Would you like to see Harry Mudd in the new movies?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Lance, Oct 13, 2013.

  1. Lance

    Lance Commodore Commodore

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    Harcourt Fenton Mudd has got the distinction, for better or worse, of being the only antagonist who appears multiple times in TOS. I thought it was awesome that STiD gave him a name-drop. :techman: Abrams and co apparently actually wanted to feature Harry Mudd in the 2009 movie, but the writers just couldn't quite figure out a way to incorporate him into the story (and tbh I can't see how he could be worked into that story, either).

    But there's still the third Star Trek. They could still do it..... if they still want to at this stage of course. :p

    Let's have a little fun with this. ;) Would you welcome Mudd's inclusion in the next movie? What sort of plot would you write involving the character? And who would you ideally cast to play him?

    And what would you title the movie, assuming Mudd's involvement, and the conceit that every Harry Mudd episode so far has featured his name in the title?

    :)
     
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  2. Infern0

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    No, I really want them to come up with something original, at the current rate, in two films time the crew of the enterprise will be slingshotting round the sun to return to the year 2017 to save the white rhino from extinction, hilarity will ensue when Mr Spock encounters some hipsters on the subway, and Chekov gets caught breaking into a navy base and mistaken for a taliban.
     
  3. Lance

    Lance Commodore Commodore

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    :lol: Personally I'm looking forward to seeing what 2020's "Star Trek Into God" turns out like. :bolian: Will we finally get to see those ill-fated Rockmen? ;)
     
  4. YellowSubmarine

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    I never liked the Harry Mudd episodes, so I am not exactly looking forward to seeing him, but I admit I'm curious how would the new films treat the character, and I think I might like it. But they already missed the opportunity. They used his ship in this one, so there could have been a point to give him a three-second scene, but now that it is done, why would they bring him up again? There are other people in the galaxy, and the franchise for that matter.
     
  5. Lance

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    The thing about Mudd as seen in TOS is that despite the wacky hijinks, there is an undercurrent of him actually being quite a nasty piece of work who simply disguises his true malevolent nature beneath a veneer of rougish charm. He's the kind of guy who buys you a drink at the bar, and is raising a toast to you with one hand while he sharpens a knife with the other. A reinterpreted version of the character could have a lot of room to play with there. :)

    I do agree that he's hardly the most scintilating of adversaries for a movie adventure that is being aimed at a broad audience. But nevertheless it interests me that the producers of both films had enough of a residual like for the character that they seriously did want to try and give him a cameo in the first movie, and ended up name-checking him in the second.
     
  6. King Daniel Beyond

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    As a minor character up to mischief played by Nick Frost it'd be cool. As the main villain? NFW.
     
  7. Lance

    Lance Commodore Commodore

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    ^ Ooh, nice idea. Pair him up with Scotty for maximum impact. :bolian:
     
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  9. MakeshiftPython

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    Never understood the appeal of Mudd. He was a weak antagonist in his introduction, and still weak by his second appearance. It's not a character I'd care to see again.
     
  10. Makarov

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    Isn't Mudd included in the tie-in comic for Into Darkness?
     
  11. Crazy Eddie

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    ^ Mudd's daughter showed up in the comics (apparently that was HER ship they took to Qo'nos to try and capture Khan). In that story she was a weapons smuggler working with Captain Robert April to help him win a Private Little War. The way she's drawn in the comic she is at least half-Bajoran, which kind of makes sense considering at this point in history the Cardassians probably haven't even discovered warp drive yet.
     
  12. austen_pierce

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    I watched the first few minutes of Mudd's Women earlier today, and could see how Mudd might have made for an intro sequence like the Nibiru. Or maybe instead of? But I'm not missing him. He could be an aspect of a story but not THE story.

    Call it: Star Trek Into Muddy Women
     
  13. Irishman

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    No.
     
  14. WarpFactorZ

    WarpFactorZ Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    When TNG first aired, I remember reading an article about a potential episode plot that would have brought back Harry Mudd. He was to have saved the Enterprise somehow, saying "This ones for ol' Kirk and Spock!". Unfortunately, Roger Carmel died in 1986, so obviously the episode was never written.
     
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  15. Gojira

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    I was not the biggest Mudd fan myself. I wouldn't mind if they did something with him in the opening of the next movie but not an entire story with him as the main villain.
     
  16. Enterprise is Great

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    Only if they show him dying in the most horrible of ways...I've never liked that character and find his two episodes boring as hell.
     
  17. Sigokat

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    To me his character in TOS was kind of "meh". No realy appeal other than comic relief.

    I think the name-drop in STiD was enough to please trek fans, along with the tribble (I finally saw the tribble on Scotty's desk in the Delta Vega outpost for the first time during my last rewatch of ST2009) and the Gorn reference were enough.

    I'm hoping for something a bit more original. I don't mind if they use pre-existing races like the Borg or Cardassians, but I'd like to see something other than the "revenge, going to destroy Earth" theme.
     
  18. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Actually, it was RE-written - into "The Neutral Zone".
     
  19. Maurice

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    Wait...that doesn't make sense. TNG was announced October 10, 1986 and Carmel died a month later. They'd barely have started pre-production by the time he passed, so it seems really unlikely they'd have actually written a script for the character.
     
  20. WarpFactorZ

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    As I said, they wanted to write a script with Mudd. I didn't say they actually wrote it. But surely you don't think writers weren't scheming plots before TNG was actually green-lighted...