World War Z ratings/spoilers

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  1. Sindatur

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    That's exactly what happened in the Coliseum in New Orleans during the aftermath of Hurricaine Katrina, isn't it?
     
  2. Trekker4747

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    Well, we're never told what the guy in South Korea had that made him immune. It's possible he suffered from some illness that had rendered him inviable to the zombies, I doubt his limp had anything to do with it. Which is why the Israeli soldier chick was still attacked after losing her hand.

    The "idea" seemed to be the zombies were "propagating their species" by only infecting viable candidates. The SK soldier, the old man in Israel and the bald (cancer?) kid in Israel all had terminal, long-term, illnesses that made them inviable candidates for infection.

    As much as I liked this little plot idea I do agree it doesn't hold up to much scrutiny. Because it begs the question of "how sick is sick?" I think at the WHO they suggested something bacterial to be infected with. Well, any number of bacterial agents are infectious and potentially deadly. It's just a matter of "how deadly" and that depends on your personal health and immune system and how soon you get treatment.

    The flu and the cold can be deadly in the right circumstances. (Though those are viruses.) So it was a plot point that wasn't thought out too much because it has too many problems when thought about for more than a couple of minutes.

    But it certainly wasn't about injury as both the Israeli chick and Brad Pitt had pretty heavy injuries in the final act that should have made the "immune" and it obviously didn't. Maybe the guy in SK had arthritis or got polio or something?
     
  3. Gaith

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    ^ He was terminally low on faith of the heart.
     
  4. KGator

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    I believe the parts after Jerusalem were all part of the last minute rewrite and reshoot of the movie. Originally that plane was supposed to take Brad Pitt to Russia (which makes sense since I believe it was an Aeroflot plane) where he would spend the rest of the movie.

    The whole "camoflauge" idea was a quick fix to try and salvage a movie that I guess test audiences didn't like. So I have to wonder what was so bad with the original movie that they thought the wonder disease idea would be the better option.
     
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    Interesting! I would have preferred the Russian ending. At least it would have been closer to the book. And it wouldn't have had such a premature "solution" to the war.
     
  7. Gaith

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    Eh, a sequel can always handwave away the camouflage if they want to - "the zombies adapted; time for a new strategy."

    Yes, the revised ending was absurd and a out of nowhere, but in terms of pacing and tone, its slower, more suspenseful style was a necessary change of pace - after nearly an hour and a half of nonstop rollercoaster violence, to finish up with simply more of the same would have left audiences exhuasted and emotionally unsatisfied.

    The fact that the movie didn't come together in the rough cut shows that the screenplay was rough and more than a little stupid from the start. Lindelof's emergency amputation cut out any kind of internal logic, but nevertheless saved the movie.
     
  8. JD

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    So I take it from the comments that the stuff about the zombies not attacking sick people did not come from the book?
     
  9. Mr Light

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    Nope. Totally made up.

    I really hope they have the original third act on the DVD!!! If they shot the whole thing surely a rough cut exists of it!
     
  10. Shurik

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    The original ending does make much more sense than Lindeloff's ending, but to have another zombie carnage/battle scene after Israel would indeed be just too much.

    It looks like the whole script was a mess at any part of the filming, with both endings. The original script might've worked if the Israel part would've been scaled down significantly or even made the part where Brad Pitt discovers stuff about zombies, without major battle scenes. The new ending fits better what comes before it, but it doesn't make sense, so instead of enjoying the tense and pretty well filmed scenes, I was just thinking "Whaaaaat?" through the entire WHO part.
     
  11. JarodRussell

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    When will they finally stop letting Lindelof screw shit up?
     
  12. Mr Light

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    <<The original ending does make much more sense than Lindeloff's ending, but to have another zombie carnage/battle scene after Israel would indeed be just too much. >>

    But it's "World War" Z. :) The point of the story is large scale zombie warfare.
     
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    When Lindelof is dead, or the world ends, whichever comes first.
     
  15. Trekker4747

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    There's plenty of ways to go, the idea seemed to be to more use the camouflage for soldiers or people in battle (maybe in extreme circumstances people in isolated areas that couldn't be protected like the villagers we see during the coda.) But even with this "camouflage" there's still danger to civilians or people not "infected" and it's still possible the zombies could adapt to it or still pose some level of threat to even those camouflaged like getting caught up in "zombie crossfire." There's a direction they can go with it without writing it completely off or trying to retcon it away.
     
  16. The Naughty List

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    Can't be.

    - The source of the disease was known in IAL (a cancer cure based on a genetically engineered strain of the measles virus that mutated).

    - The point of origin was known (Manhattan - hence all the efforts to contain it there that ultimately failed because the scanners were unreliable, as shown in the flashback).

    - The virus killed 90% of the population of Earth by the disease outright, changed 9% in zombie/vampires, and the remaining 1% were immune but were still getting chomped on by the other 9%, so their numbers were extremely low (almost extinct) by the time the main story picks up.

    - The zombies in WWZ have no severe (fatal if prolonged) allergy to sunlight.

    The main thing both the movie adaptations of I Am Legend (the most recent one) and World War Z have in common are that they both profoundly missed the point and tone/style of the novels they were based on; and both had originally planned and filmed endings that were possibly better than what was shown onscreen (definitely better in IAL's case, IMO) but still not great, were somewhat closer in tone and point to the novels, and were cut because test audiences and/or the producers didn't like them.

    None that could be confirmed by police.

    On September 11, New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass reported there were "no confirmed reports of any type of sexual assault."


    Despite the reports that the Superdome had become Thunderdome, there were three confirmed deaths: two already sick elderly medical patients and one man by suicide, which among a sample of 20,000 people would not be unusual even in the best of times, much less after you became refugees housed in poor conditions after your city was flooded.

    The people of New Orleans were treated extremely poorly in the media during and in the wake of Katrina based on rumors and flat out inaccurate reports. They treated the people like they became lawless thugs from a Mad Max movie who were shooting at rescue helicopters, raping and robbing left and right, painting people who were getting essential survival needs from stores that were already destroyed anyway as looters just looking to make a buck when they were trying to care for their families, friends, and neighbors who were struggling. It was a disgrace the way they were depicted, and unfortunately that negative depiction remains a popular one.
     
  17. Scroogourner

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    Oh I know all those details don't match, but WWZ tonally still feels like the part of IAL that took place in the year we didn't see.
     
  18. JD

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    I was a huge Lost fan so I was really excited when I saw that Lindelof was moving up to blockbuster movies, but after seeing the reactions to the movies he's written, versus the quality of Once Upon a Time and the reaction to Bates Motel, I'm starting to wonder if he was the weak link in that chain. I've actually enjoyed the two Lindelof movies I've seen, Cowboys & Aliens, and STID, but I do seem to be in the minority in the case of C&A.
     
  19. Beagleman

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    You're not alone I liked C&A too. Sure, it had massive flaws but it was quite enjoyable. BTW I see nothing wrong with Lindelof, I loved Lost and STID.
     
  20. DarthTom

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    I don't buy many Blue Ray's any more but this may be one worth owning. But I'm confused I already saw it in a IMAX theatre so how is this upgrading the experience?

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