World Premiere/Advance screening discussions [SPOILERS GUARANTEED]

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by M'Sharak, Apr 5, 2009.

  1. Borgminister

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    I think the objective of the movie was to "pass the torch", so I'm actually glad Shat didn't voice it at the end, since it would've been suggestive that he might be back in the sequel, assuming there is one.
     
  2. Admiral James Kirk

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    That's one of those things I'm most looking forward to seeing. In the early episodes of Star Trek Spock and Uhura had this flirtation going on between them that was a lot of fun. I think they dropped it because it was similar to the Spock/McCoy banter except... The Spock/McCoy banter was framed in a confrontational manner while Uhura was flirting and Spock was reciprocating in his own Vulcan way. I wish they'd stuck with Spock/Uhura because it was infinately more fun than the Spock/Chapel thing they settled for. It's really great that the writers of this movie picked up on that thing they had in the early episodes and used it in the story they told.
     
  3. urbandk

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    They might have dropped it because of the interracial implications. After all, they only had the weird, forced Kirk-Uhura kiss when they were literally out of their minds.
     
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    Hmmm. I did not consider that. Too bad though. Nichelle really shined in those scenes and Nimoy played really well off of her.
     
  5. Basil

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    Hmm. Well, I don't see anything about "test of character" in what I was directly replying to, but rather your assertion about not knowing of any tests that could be taken more than once.

    No offense, but you seem to be parsing things out differently here and above than in your original post, but no matter. I do think the writer gave it more thought than you suggest, if for no other reason than we see an iteration of it at the beginning of the film and a the scenario played out for Kirk again in the climax, when Spock is the one to actually solve the problem, at great sacrifice, leaving Kirk theoretically with his first real-life experience with Kobayashi Maru. That goes beyond simply being a thematic element, but one central to plot, even if the unrequired details are not shown.
     
  6. Captain X

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    I'd actually go for that, personally.
     
  7. Sky

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    Let's just say that if Spock had kept resoponding "in his own Vulcan way" here too, maybe it could've been better... instead

    they are all huggy and kissy in plain view of others on the transporter platform.
     
  8. urbandk

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    he still seems to hold back. it could be the trauma of the loss. i loved that "what do you need?" part. i was like, whaaa?!
     
  9. Captain X

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    Well, he's already pretty un-Vulcan-like because of the batshit insane violence against Kirk, so why not through in some PDA while we're at it?
     
  10. Tom Servo

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    Well seeing as how he is half human, and as early TOS episodes showed, still trying to control his emotions, and oh yeah,


    I will forgive him being emotional. Vulcans aren't emotionless, they repress them, and Star Trek has shown that Spock was no ordinary Vulcan.
     
  11. Captain X

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    Except that once TOS got going he had this way of way over-compensating for the human half. Not to mention that he was raised on Vulcan, where they have this stigma against open emotional display, and the only real PDA they have is the two-finger touch thing. Unless the destruction of the Kelvin somehow caused that to go away too. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Tom Servo

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    Well if Spock is a logical Vulcan, and his human side has an attraction to Uhura, the logical thing to do would be to display human affection, along with what the Vulcans consider affection.

    I mean really, Spock is half human. Yes he was raised on Vulcan, in the Vulcan way, but he still has that human half within him, and I don't get why people freak out when that is displayed.
     
  13. M'Sharak

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    On Spock/Uhura:

    I saw one person point out that Spock's dossier page from the official site reads, in part:
    "Current Instructor of Advanced Phonology and Interspecies Ethics"
    What might be made of the fact that Uhura's has:
    "Current Academy aide for Advanced Phonology and Advanced Acoustical Engineering Courses"?
     
  14. urbandk

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    An ethical dilemma in any language!
     
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    Yup, the old excuse anything because nothing in the movie can be wrong in any way.

    And the reason people freak out is because it goes completely against the culture he brought up in, which was all basically established by Spock and Sarek and that little trip to Vulcan in Amok Time. It's also the same reason people freaked out when T'Pol turned into a crack whore. The half human aspect of Spock is part of why he's a bit more interesting, but while that struggle as pulled off beautifully in episodes like Journey to Babel when he mother confronted him with it, just having him completely embrace the human side makes it lose any value because he just may as well be a normal human character if that's the case - the whole point of the Vulcans is that they're supposed to be different.
     
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  17. Captain Robert April

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    I'm wondering just how much of the script Nimoy read aside from his own lines....
     
  18. EJA

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    Agreed with you there, Sky. I was actually quite horrified when this was confirmed. I'm still holding out hope that there's a duplicate Vulcan out there somewhere (a la the duplicate Earth in Miri).

    And there should be room for some of the original adventures to happen in this timeline too.
     
  19. Sky

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    Yeah, this is it, exactly. If Spock becomes all human, he loses his duality and his inner conflict. That will definitely make him less interesting. Also, the dynamic between him and McCoy will change - they were supposed to be the two opposite forces affecting Kirk, one very emotional, one very logical... It will change everything, and I don't think in a positive way.
     
  20. urbandk

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    He doesn't become all human. He's still reconciling the two parts of him. He is quite different.

    No duplicate Vulcan. His mother is definitively dead.

    I am happy with these developments and not just within an internally rationalized logical system. I think they make sense for the characters and the story.