Wiped Episode Discoveries

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by Allyn Gibson, Jun 13, 2013.

  1. diankra

    diankra Commodore Commodore

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    Either that, or in the increasingly desperate efforts to keep the range going, they're putting out The Tom Baker Years. Which is admittedly quite fun to watch.
    Either way, it's not a trailer for a Troughton story.
     
  2. Emh

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    Not only is this perfectly true for this particular case but I also find it very amusing because I happened upon a Blackadder II episode on BBC last night (yeah, I know, not the same Melchett).
     
  3. Rarewolf

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    I suppose the difference would be a complete story - after restoration and extras - is ready to go.

    Half a story isn't. We still haven't had any confirmation the other half of Underwater Menace has been animated. If Moonbase was comissioned with Tenth Planet, before the Underwater Menace recovery and these rumours started to look promising, its possible they might have waited to see how it panned out before agreeing to any more.

    Whilst the Bleeding Cool article did seem to be grasping at all rumours and claims lumping everything together, I'm still of the impression there might be something in it, hidden in the nonsense.

    But not nearly everything!
     
  4. Candlelight

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    Actually it is - it's the trailer for The Moonbase DVD which will be released the following month.

    Either that or it's that deleted scene they found.
     
  5. diankra

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    That makes sense, but doesn't quite fit with the BBFC link StCoop posted, which says the trailer 'Stars Tom Baker'. Maybe that's just a flow over from the main feature, but in context it seems to refer specifically to the trailer.
     
  6. The Borgified Corpse

    The Borgified Corpse Admiral Admiral

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    In the wise words of Garbage:

    Lies lies lies
    You love those lies,
    You tell them straight,
    Straight to my face
    They feel so right
    They keep you safe
    And you're so...

    Good at it, oh it comes automatic
    Lies more lies
    I can tell they're lies
    I can see right through,
    You have see-through eyes

    Knocked down drag your name out
    All across the town
    This time I won't be your dirty little secret
    Not for you, not for me, not for your other lover
    I won't be your dirty little secret
     
  7. diankra

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    That does seem the most likely explanation for why Underwater Menace is being held back. Moonbase could have been on a pre-prepped long term possibilities list back in 2011, whereas nobody would have been considering UM for animation before part two turned up.

    That's prompted me to do back of the envelope work out of what's most and least likely to get the animation treatment. The sums are based on 2 points for each episode that needs to be animated and 1 point for each episode that's missing telesnaps, with the lowest scoring stories being most likely to be animated.
    That probably over-estimates the impact of there being telesnaps around has on a story's chances (and if there's no telesnaps or episodes at all, then it might make the animators jobs easier, as they don't have to spend time matching the existing material), but hey, the list comes out as something sensible, so I'll go with it...

    So anyway, here's what I came up with:
    4 points: Underwater Menace and Crusade - 2 episodes to do (which is the limit BBC DVD currently say they can afford), plus telesnaps.
    8 points: Wheel in Space and Faceless Ones - as above, except four episodes to do, which is twice as much.
    8 points: Savages, Smugglers, Highlanders, Macra Terror - also four episodes with telesnaps for all, but no surviving episodes, so probably less likely.
    9 points: Galaxy 4 & Celestial Toymaker - only three episodes to do, but no telesnaps for reference. If you ignore the telesnap issue, then these become the most likely candidates apart from Crusade and Menace.
    10 points: Abominable Snowmen & Web of Fear - five episodes to do, from telesnaps.
    11 points: Enemy of the World - also five missing episode, but there's no telesnaps for part four (why couldn't John Cura have taken the previous week off, eh?).
    12 points: Evil of the Daleks - six episodes to do, telesnaps for all of them, plus one episode already in existence. (Question - if it was done, should the animators be faithful and have the Daleks' domes change shape from studio to model work in part seven?)
    12 points: Myth Makers and Massacre - only four episodes to do, but no telesnaps for reference.
    12 points: Power of the Daleks & Fury from the Deep - six episodes to do from telesnaps, but no complete ones to include.
    15 points: Marco Polo - 7 episodes to do, and no telesnaps for one of them.
    15 points: Space Pirates - only five episodes to do, but no telesnaps, no reference shots for several major characters, and the main villain doesn't even appear in the surviving episode to give you reference on him!
    30 points: The Dalek Masterplan (with Mission to the Unknown) - nightmare! 10 episodes to do, no proper telesnaps, few or no reference shots for several major settings and characters... Will only be done if a fan wins the lottery and pays for the work!
     
  8. Mr Awe

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    diankra, that's all nice but haven't you heard, most of those have been recovered!

    <Ducks for cover!> ;)
     
  9. Rarewolf

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    They are two very different produuctions, the 1/4 (or closer to 1/3 including the lengthy clip from part 1) of Galaxy 4 gives you a much better represenation of the whole story than Toymaker's final episode does of that one. You have all the characters and costumes, all the sets. All four episodes of Toymaker were completely different.

    However if a Galaxy Four animation was up for consideration I can't imagine they would have given away the recovered episode so easily.

    If on the otherhand they did think maybe they'd be able to release the whole story later anyway, that there was no point doing anything too fancy now and just get it out there.... well that's how conspiracies start!
     
  10. diankra

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    That did occur to me about Toymaker, but that then opens up the question of whether the animators might find it easier to have more freedom to indulge their imaginations, rather than reproducing reference images.
     
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    I don't want the animators bloody imaginations. I want something that looks like the original episode.
     
  12. StCoop

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    So for those keeping track the latest claim is that this whole thing has been a vast conspiracy involving dozens of people designed purely to wind Ian Levine up.

    Now that one I can believe!
     
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    Job done ! :techman:
     
  14. Emh

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    And he's paranoid enough to believe it! :lol:
     
  15. Allyn Gibson

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    Yet the next turn of the apple is that Charles Daniels (a longtime fan who contributed to several of the fanthologies of fifteen years ago), who brought the story of this hoaxing cabal to light, believes that he himself has been punked by his friend who brought the story to his attention!

    And Levine is telling people that he doesn't believe the story. Either he genuinely doesn't believe it, or he's only saying he doesn't believe it because he's hurt and doesn't want to give his enemies satisfaction.

    You couldn't make this one up. No editor would buy this story.
     
  16. Haggis and tatties

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    Levine, did he not play Sgt Benton, and why does he seem to be unhappy about lost episodes?
     
  17. Sindatur

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    No, Benton is played by John Levene.

    Ian Levine is a "Super Fan"
     
  18. Candlelight

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    Ian Levine is credited for saving dozens of missing episodes from destruction.

    He also has an ego the size of Gallifrey.
     
  19. Starkers

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    Actually a few years ago I used to wonder this :lol:
     
  20. Haggis and tatties

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    ^^Poor John Levene, i had him going all drama queen on us. lol

    I had no idea who this Levine guy was until this thread and wiki, great stuff he saved all those episodes from being destroyed, bad that he seems to have had a major roll in Doctor in distress. lol
     

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