Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by tmosler, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. The Wormhole

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Yeah, FYI we have no real indication the Galaxy class was built on the Mars Surface. Indeed, the half complete Galaxy spaceframes seen in Relativity would be enough proof they aren't. All we know from that picture is that Utopia Planitia has a ground based facility. We don't know what goes on there. Even if it is construction, we don't know it's Galaxy class ships. It could be shuttles and runabouts.
     
  2. RogueFive

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    I was tempted to walk out when Chekov failed to disengage the external inertial dampeners. The REAL Chekov never would have been so incompetent. :klingon:

    Canon used to stand for something. Next thing you know, they're gonna start making Star Trek movies about missions to find God at the center of the galaxy and whatnot. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Balrog

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    But... But... Teh HATE and gnashing of teeth and hand-wringing and childhood raping and all that noise...
     
  4. Pavonis

    Pavonis Commodore Commodore

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Not Chekov, Sulu. Nu-Sulu, anyway. Would that make him Nulu?
     
  5. Crom!

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    JJ Abrams, praised be his name, is making the right choice.
    Trek has always been VERILY flexible with physics. And now people are making a fuss about what looks like a fun scene???

    [​IMG]

    Nice one, Treker... :lol:
     
  6. Balrog

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Decaf...
     
  7. Gojira

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    This place needs a "like" button! :guffaw:
     
  8. King Daniel Beyond

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Dude, you can see the Galaxy-class saucer on the surface of Mars in "Parallels"
     
  9. Crom!

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Even Hermann Zimmerman said in one of the DVD set extras that he took an Ent-D model kit entirely (included the frames of the kit), paint-brushed it and voilĂ  that was Utopia Planitia!
     
  10. Kemaiku

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    No, I just know him well enough to know his text walls by now. The man really needs to loosen up before something gives.
     
  11. JonnyBoy

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    The thing that's funny is that Trekkies have, for 46 years, been suspending disbelief in a massive, unconventionally designed starship traveling through the galaxy at faster-than-light warp speed, shooting phaser (better than laser!) beams and photon (eh??) torpedoes at klingon warriors, omnipotent beings, cyborgs, space amoebas, and Spock's Brain. They use a transporter to beam their energy patterns down to planets. They generate gravity with a graviton generator (and magic deck plates). They use nadions and cadions and baryons and chronitons (what??) and whatsitons and TRONitons to open/close subspace/wormhole/singularity/rift/void/eddy/fissure/scaryfrakkingholes in space, and the aliens all have 2 legs, 2 arms, and funny nose/forehead/neck ridges and weird ears. (I know, tholians... but they are an exception, not a rule lol).

    We've seen ships fly so close to a star they should be burned to a crisp in a microsecond or crushed in the atmosphere of a gas giant. We've seen a starship land, we've seen it fly through fluidic space (waht??), and we've seen them go underwater. We've seen them use transwarp conduits and quantum singularities/slipstreams to travel hundreds of lightyears in minutes. We've even seen someone occupy every place in the universe at once before de-evolving and mating with the captain (ewww).

    Its only because this is "Abrams and his bastardized Trek" that people are coming down so hard and being so inflexible that any explanation (which should not really be needed if it serves story or adds to the uniqueness of Star Trek, particularly in light of the above) is automatically too outlandish, or somehow an affront to Gene Roddenberry, Star Trek, and the Q Continuum. I agree with Abrams 100%. Enjoy the reruns. I'm happy for Star Trek to keep going boldly.
     
  12. JonnyBoy

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Priceless!:guffaw:
     
  13. The Naughty List

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    No, the half completed spaceframes in Relativity would be proof that some of the Galaxy Class ships were built in space, not all. Nor was I arguing that they were all built in the ground facility, just that at least one (which is plain as day a Galaxy Class starship in the picture) was. Nor do I particularly care, as once again, the thrust of my point was simply that starships are designed for and can survive a wide variety of environments and conditions (some equivalent to or more extreme than what is shown in STID), so the fact that one can take a dip in the shallow end of an ocean shouldn't be all that bothersome.
     
  14. Jackson_Roykirk

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    You forgot "Lower the keel".

    The retractable keel is housed at the bottom of the engineering section. Obviously it's important to have a retractable keel so the drag of the keel doesn't slow the ship down while at warp speed.
     
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  15. marksound

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    And it's handy to have in case the captain feels the need to keel-haul an errant crewmember.
     
  16. Keeper

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    :lol: Oh boy, here we go now.. In addition to the above, lets back-track a bit and set the scene more fully; [EM]

    Exterior - Enterprise slowly descends vertical from the out of the sky... Interior - bosun whistle sounds over Intra-ship: Attention all hands, set the Sea and Anchor Detail...

    "Set Out-Riggers."

    cut to exterior Enterprise as it hovers over the water - nacelle struts pivot downward till nacelles are almost even with main engineering bottom creating three-point flotation. Ship settles on surface...
     
  17. billcosby

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Erm... is this going to be this film's version of the Blue Warp Nacelles thread? ;)
     
  18. DaveyNY

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    First off...,
    I am never gonna be able to listen to the... 'Fat Lady Sing' ...again, without getting this image in my head... :guffaw:



    Secondly,
    I think it's a riot that this particular thread, seems to be the hottest topic about the new movie around here. :vulcan:
     
  19. Sci

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    I don't think they need an explanation. It's implicit in the existing capabilities of the ship, when you think about it.

    I mean, a starship by definition has to be airtight. So they should already be able to keep the water out.

    And a starship capable of faster-than-light travel -- or even just a-significant-percentage-of-lightspeed travel -- must by definition have the technology capable of overcoming g-forces (they're called "inertial dampeners" in ST). So they should already be able to counter-act water pressure.

    And we know from ST09 that starships are capable of ascending from a planetary surface into orbit. So they're already capable of lift-off and atmospheric flight.

    Given these three things, it makes perfect sense that the Enterprise would be able to descend into an ocean if necessary.
     
  20. M'Sharak

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    You left out the Space Amoeba.