Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater?

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  1. BillJ

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    But in that same nine-minute preview, don't they say they could beam him up if they had a better line of sight?
     
  2. Ovation

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    If they hover over the volcano at a short distance--still within the atmosphere, still potentially in view of the natives (hence the concern with the prime directive. Hiding in the water and using the shuttle as a first option (in the water to monitor the situation at close range with sensors to offset planet's natural interference with sensors, using shuttle to get Spock to volcano's interior, with a cable attached [so shuttles appear not to have transporters at this point--as was the case with TOS shuttles], and doing so from within the cloud of volcanic emissions (source of shuttle's eventual fatal problems) so the natives do not see them).

    Inference remains intact.
     
  3. YARN

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    I think they realized that they created a cool visual moment when the Enterprise warped into the atmosphere of Titan (apparently starships jump into and out of warp BSG style now) and they though, "How can we do a moment like that again?"

    In the next film we see her rise out of the sands of some desert next to some alien pyramid.
     
  4. Greg Cox

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Oooh! I like that! :)
     
  5. CorporalClegg

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    There doesn't need to be.
     
  6. Arpy

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Jackson_RoyKirk, I don't know or care if you're a man or a woman: marry me.
     
  7. Jackson_Roykirk

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Man.
    Straight.
    Married.
    :)

    But we can still be friends :cool:

    I suppose maybe that is in response to my "Shatner's Gremlin" reply to you?
     
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  8. chardman

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    The OP wants to know if they'll explain how the Enterprise can go underwater? Well, perhaps they will, but until they do, I suggest that the OP get in line, and wait his turn, as there's already a very long line of us who are still waiting to get "treknical" explanations for stunts that Trek pulled in TOS back in the sixties.
     
  9. JarodRussell

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Ha, but you can't put that scene into a novel, can you? ;)
     
  10. Greg Cox

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Is that a dare? :)
     
  11. Jackson_Roykirk

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater


    Maybe something like this:
    ....or is that not quite your genre, Mr. Cox? ;)



     
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  12. Greg Cox

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater


    I take it you haven't read my vampire novels . . . . :)
     
  13. Tombfyre

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    I don't post often, however I felt I should weigh in on this.

    I'm with the camp that doesn't necessarily like the idea. I view star trek like this:

    http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/1492/images/1492home.jpg

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    To me, it adds more depth to the universe if the big capitol ships CAN'T go into an atmosphere. It takes away some of the risk involved if you can just park your space battleships anywhere you please. Its not so much a Grrr.. technobable needed. Its more of a I don't want to see the universe diminished. I feel that the character of star trek is that you arrive in your big ship. You have a problem to solve, but you're going to have to go down in small parties to solve it.

    No matter how you explain it... why they would need to bring the ship into a planet for anything other than an emergency doesn't make sense. They have shuttles, transporters...

    I'm sure it'll look cool and be fun. But to me... its a blow to star treks core. Just saying because it looks cool... isn't to me the mark of a great director.
     
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  14. Keeper

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    You cannot simply chalk it up to yet another Scotty Miracle?
     
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  15. Nerys Myk

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Someone should tell Gene Roddenberry.

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNeMNXQBzd8[/yt]

    The only reason the Enterprise didn't land in TOS was the cost was too prohibitive. The transporters and shuttlecraft were cost saving measures.
     
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  16. Jackson_Roykirk

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    ^
    ^^Exactly. Roddenberry wanted the Enterprise to be able to land, but the budget wouldn't allow for it. The fact still remains that in Roddenberry's original view of what he wanted Star Trek to be, the ship would land.

    To tell you the truth, though, I like the idea of having smaller landing craft (shuttles), but I have no real philosophical issues with a big ship landing, either.
     
  17. Tombfyre

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Haha, well i'm glad for that. I just really like the idea of parking in orbit of a planet and conducting whatever operations are needed using runabouts and such. It means you are restricted on resources, firepower, manpower, ect.

    Gene Roddenberry was a great visionary of his time... but star trek developed its style because of some of those initial compromises.

    :) I'm sure the movie will still be a blast to watch. Just prefer the old TNG\DS9 time. If JJ abrams really said that rerun comment.... that just arrogant. He'd have no movie to make if it wasn't for those reruns and those who enjoy them.
     
  18. Nerys Myk

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    Rerun comment?
     
  19. Arpy

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    What they meant to do in TOS doesn't matter as much as what they did do.

    There's nothing wrong with the preference of capital ships not being atmosphere-capable, and it does add a dash of faux verisimilitude that Trek's so famous/loved for.

    I used to like the idea that ships couldn't travel in atmosphere, but it does make more sense to me that soooo advanced ships would be able to. Of course, it makes more sense that such ships wouldn't be welded together hull plate by visible hull plate but what can you do?
     
  20. marksound

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    Re: Will there be an explaination for how enterprise can go underwater

    You need something done, you call the man who can do it. He'll bitch and moan and tell you it can't be done, but he'll figure it out.

    Sidebar: I like the cheesy old TOS effects much better than the cheesy new TOS-R effects. Just sayin'.

    I want to know why we weren't told decades ago that these ships are watertight. Airtight in the vacuum of space, even where there are no windows or doors, damn straight! But watertight? Dude. If they don't say it, it ain't so. Right? Right? ;)