Will the Dominion be a complete non-factor in the JJ-Verse?

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  1. Infern0

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    When the timeline split, Starfleet started building bigger, more powerful ships.

    Constitution class is now the size of a galaxy class starship, and a lot more powerful than the original.

    By the time of the Dominion war, imagine what ships starfleet will have, imagine a JJ-verse Galaxy class... it will probably be the size of a planet.

    But on the other side of the wormhole the divergence won't have had any effects, so they will have the same original ships etc, in fact even species that were not yet contacted like the cardassians should be the same.

    So assuming the wormhole is discovered around the same time, the dominion will probably be a complete non-threat to starfleet.
     
  2. Belz...

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    Will ? I don't think we'll be seeing them again or, if so, for a very long time. By that time they could be made to be entirely different.
     
  3. Infern0

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    Well technically they are still out there, on the other side of the wormhole, It's just general theorising though.

    The divergence from the timeline made starfleet adapt and become different, it obviously effected Vulcan too, most likely other neighbouring species.

    But the further out you go, the less and less would be the impact.

    It's just interesting to wonder really.
     
  4. Crazyewok

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    Hopefully JJ leaves them be. And if he does touch them there is no reason to alter them much other than to piss us DS9 fans off!
     
  5. Charles Phipps

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    I think that unless the movies become a VERY long-lasting series, it's unlikely.
     
  6. Bry_Sinclair

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    Well seeing as how the Klingon's appearance has changed (as well as a new love of facial bling) then I can only imagine the timesplit have given the Jem'Hadar rhino-like horns, whilst their ships would also have been given a massive dose of steroids.

    I can only hope JJTrek leaves them alone and instead tries to think up something new and interesting.
     
  7. T'Girl

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    According to the most resent movie, Starfleet has yet to go on any five years missions. So the area explored by the federation in the alternate universe might be much smaller than in the prime universe at the same time period. In the mid 24th century of the prime universe, Bajor (with it's wormhole) was at the extreme edge of explored space, "the frontier."

    It might take the federation until the 25th century or later to encounter the Dominion.

    (Oh and spoiler alert)

    :)
     
  8. solariabsg25

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    I think that the Nerada Incident has had a knock-on effect on all the Alpha-Quadrant races. The Federation increasing the size and power of their ships would have had a knock-on effect with the Klingons and Romulans
    which possibly means that the destroyed moon over Kronos in STID is in fact Praxis, having been over-mined a few decades earlier than the prime universe timeline

    It would be an arms-race, and no doubt they may have attempted to keep up. IIRC the Cardassians had not suffered their economic woes during TOS, so their own designs once they became more militaristic would also be influenced by the other Alpha Quadrant powers.

    With regard to the Dominion, it would depend on how much spying they did once the Bajoran wormhole had been discovered. Any exploration ships sent into the Gamma Quadrant would be bigger, badder designs, so the Dominion would probably go into a major ship-building program to compete, making their normal Jem'Hadar Attack Ships larger and more powerful, and perhaps churning out more of their huge super-dreadnought designs.

    The Dominion could probably accomplish much in the years from the first Alpha Quadrant explorations up to the beginning of the Dominion War, or even put off their hardline stance for a couple more years of preparation time.
     
  9. Belz...

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    Which is odd, I think. First off, the NX-01 went on a 2 year mission a hundred years back. I'd think they'd have managed to do 5 by now. Second, Cardassians are mentioned in the first movie, which is odd, to say the least. You get the impression that they traveled further by 2255 than in the Prime timeline.
     
  10. Charles Phipps

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    I think the Constitution-class was explictly made for the 5 year missions.
     
  11. R. Star

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    Nah, I'm sure the premature destruction of the Kelvin will radically change Dominion ship design to be ten times bigger too. ;)
     
  12. Faria

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    But JJships are faster than TOS ships, so the space explored could be more

    And i think JJships don't need a wormhole to go to gamma quadrant
     
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    I personally prefer to think of it as a whole new universe that just vaguely looks like the prime timeline. The Dominion may or may not be there, and we quite probably will never know.
     
  14. Bad Thoughts

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    Bigger and faster, maybe, but in the JJ-verse, Constitution Class ships are ultra-flimsy. Their shields seem completely unable to prevent major damage from occurring to the ship, sucking hapless ensigns out into the cold of space. I don't see how any of them could last the requisite five years.

    ETA: are the JJ Constitutions even strong enough to survive a wormhole?
     
  15. T'Girl

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    To explore it doesn't take just ships, it takes the will to explore, the drive.

    In ST: Enterprise, we learn that despite the ability to explore, possessing the technology, the Vulcans actually explore very little. The drive to know what's out there is missing.

    Alternate universe Humans could be also be largely lacking in the drive department. Different cultural needs.

    Not to be slow, but I have to admit to you that I've never come across the expression "knock-on effect." What does it mean please?

    While they do seem to be faster, more powerful in other areas is not as apparent.

    They are obviously deficient in the sensor department, i the first JJ movie Captain Pike didn't seem to find it odd that his ship could scan Vulcan orbital space as his ship entered it, he plowed into the weackage of the fleet that proceded him. Even if Nero hadn't attacked those ships, Pike would have been unaware of where those ship were when he went sublight. Again no mention that this was unusual.

    The smaller multiple guns of the Enterprise and the Vengance seem individually to lack the punch of the prime universe's main phaser banks. Kirk once destroyed a unshielded Klingon crusier with a single solid hit. It possible they are incapable of building individual phasers of that power, and had to substute multiple lower powered guns.

    I believe the ships in the alternate universe are bigger because the equipment on board is bulkier that it prime universe counterparts. Certainly the M/AM reactor we saw (the one Kirk entered) simply would not have fit inside of a Prime Connie.

    Not necessarily, the Klingon like their ships lean and fast. The need to oversize wouldn't be automatic.

    :)
     
  16. Belz...

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    I think 1701-A didn't, either, if we're to believe TFF. :rommie:
     
  17. Sector 7

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    JJ-verse ships do not appear to be any more "ultra-flimsy" than Prime-verse ships. TOS Constitution Class ships also met with such tragedies. The budget and FX technology did not allow them to be shown to the extent of a modern theatrical release. :techman:
     
  18. solariabsg25

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    Sorry, knock-on means that it has a ripple effect.

    Race A encounters Race B, and has to construct technologies to allow it to compete with them militarily. Race C sees this build-up and although not directly involved thinks "Oh crap, we better do that too!" and changes their own design/construction philosophies accordingly.

    Ah, but alongside the Birds of Prey, the Klingons also have the D7 (their equivalent of the Constitution/Miranda), and there is a theory that the refitted K'tinga-class from TMP was a direct result of Klingon spies learning of the proposed refits of the Constitution class. Another theory of course is that the Constitution refit was Starfleet's response to the K'tinga!

    Alongside this, they have the Vorchas (Excelsior/Ambassador equivalent perhaps?) and the huge Neg'var-class, which appears to be almost a direct Klingon answer to the Galaxy-Class and Romulan D'deridex-class warbird.
     
  19. LobsterAfternoon

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    And the Gig'gles class.
     
  20. solariabsg25

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    Ah yes, I forgot, their famous transport ship, directly responsible for the transportation of the famous Klingon frozen dessert Haq'en'Das.

    :klingon: