Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoilers

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  1. BillJ

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    Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

    The Borg. :techman:

    I'm on the fence. Either I want a good Borg movie or a time-travel flick that plunges us into the heart of the Eugenics War with Cumberbatch reprising his role as Khan.
     
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    Actually, it is. Anecdotes aren't as valuable as statistics.

    And all anybody else can show is whether they liked it or not, which is not an objective measure of a film. I suppose if you take IMDB's total votes it's a bit better, or at least an indicator of how much people liked it.
     
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    Which means I'm working with one more objectively measurable quality than you are. :cool:
     
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    It cost $190 million to make ST:ID so it basically broke even. It will probably make a profit after DVD/Blu-ray sales. Let's remember that the last Superman movie did the same thing and there was a 7 year hiatus and a complete reboot.
     
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    If Star Trek wants to do a billion it has to do better in foreign markets. ST even the lame Abrams version is too dialogue heavy.
     
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    I'm not talking about profit, but attendance.
     
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    Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

    I seriousely doubt there are 400 million ST fans :guffaw:
     
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    Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

    That didn't help DS9, VOY or ENT. Their ratings were on a downward plunge, and the shows screened at later and later times. Here down under, DS9, VOY and Season 1 of ENT were first released on sell-thru home video, but they aired on free-to-air TV at about 10.30pm, 11.30pm and then midnight. Not family viewing by a looooong stretch. (Ironically, they did win their timeslots.)

    In the US, the screenings that were wildly successful were the decade that TOS reruns were in early-evening prime time syndication, and TNG when it was the highest-rating one-hour drama in first-run prime time syndication. But US TV doesn't really work that way anymore, so a new model would need to be found.
     
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    Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

    I'm no so sure I agree with your arithmetic.
     
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    Even if you double that $190 million, Star Trek Into Darkness is already into pure profit. It's at about $420 million worldwide, meaning its cleared $40 million in profit before the end of its theatrical run and before they've made a penny on either TV rights or home-video.

    Sounds like a winner to me. :techman:
     
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    $400+ million dollars is the GROSS box office take. Depending on the studio, distributor and theater chain, the studio usually takes 1/3 to 1/2 of the gross. Plus you have to factor in that distribution and marketing are not covered in the production costs. .
     
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    It's not arithmetic - it's a conclusion based on a supposition for which there's no supporting evidence.

    The movie's done a lot better than "breaking even," and the next sequel will be released in 2016.
     
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    Good Grief do we have to go over this again. A movies has to make double (actually its closer to triple now) it's production cost because what it is usually reported is the Gross Box office. As for a sequel, since Abrams is making Star Wars, isn't 2016 too early.
     
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    Hollywood has been in the business of adding a good amount of padding to the public budget numbers for many years now. Star Trek Into Darkness likely cost nowhere near that $190 million dollar total that's been made public.

    As far as Abrams goes, he will likely produce the third feature not direct. So it should still be on for a 2016 premiere.

    Besides, Oz, the Great and Powerful is suppose to be getting a sequel and it made $491 million worldwide on a $234 million dollar budget.
     
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    Actually Hollywood has the opposite problem. Ballooning costs due to special effects and conversions to 3D.

    Being a producer doesn't mean anything. Ask Gene Roddenberry.

    All I can say is that a sequel isn't "official" until they start filming.
     
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    It does when you own the company (Bad Robot) that makes the movie. :lol:
     
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    It's extremely difficult to guess at how profitable these movies are, even if the budgets we hear about are accurate. Off the top of my head, I know Esurance had some sort of promotional deal with Into Darkness. Who the hell knows how much that was worth?
     
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    Don't forget Acer as well. :techman:
     
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    Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

    Nonsense, and quite defensive of a film which has a tendency to generate legitimate questions--like that driving this thread.
     
  20. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

    No. This simply isn't true, although people seem to think that if it's repeated often enough on the Internet it must be.