Why was Kes written off the show?

Discussion in 'Voyager' started by Kooz, Feb 23, 2012.

  1. teacake

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    It's a thread about the death of Kes and exactly WHO is on the grassy knoll. It will never end.
     
  2. Therin of Andor

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    The success of Seven merchandise supports the line of thought that switching Jeri Ryan for Jennifer Lien was a sensible move.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    You're forgetting how children's toys are sold.

    Sealed boxes arrive at the store from the factory. The toys inside the box are not evenly distributed, they're proportionately distributed. Rares, middles, and commons, meaning that for every 10 kes, there will be 5 Janeways and one Seven of Nine in any one box of Star Trek Toys. If the shop wants 10 Seven of Nines, they have to buy 100 kes dolls.

    What the hell is a baseball memorabilia shop in the boondocks going to do with 5 score Kes action figures on any day other than the fourth of July.

    Detroit Rock City could have a field day with a Kes Army.

    Speciality shops however buy collectible toys in full sets. No rarity or imposed scarcity, but because it's all made to order, it's a smaller line and therefore greater cost per unit to generate a smaller proportional profit.

    Screw your passion.

    If you want to make money, just sell cigarettes and whiskey.

    (If however your passion just happens to be cigarettes and whiskey, kudos & mazel tov)
     
  4. Starbreaker

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    Somebody may have answered this in the next couple of pages, but I'm not going to wade through everything. Worf was brought over to DS9 to get the TNG fanbase to keep watching Star Trek after TNG went off the air.
     
  5. Therin of Andor

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    Actually, Kes and Janeway were relative shortpacks in the first VOY wave. That's why my "Flashback Janeway" exclusive won the NewForce competition, because lots of people wanted Janeway and, being a captain, she was very hard to find.

    By the time all the Sevens came along, the waves were a mixture of all ST series - and more evenly packed.

    Yep, but only if it didn't prevent him from doing TNG movies and the makeup time could be reduced.

    And as long as they didn't make him wear that silver catsuit and stilettos. ;)
     
  6. You_Will_Fail

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    The decision to bring Seven of Nine was a sensible move, her success has nothing to do with Kes. So that's kind of a moot argument.
     
  7. sonak

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    um, no it doesn't. First off, it's not an either/or. Seven could have been brought on with Kes still on the show, as was the original plan before Kes somehow became "hard to write for."(despite basically being a better version of Troi with different hair and a shorter life-span) Switching Harry or Neelix makes Voyager a much better show.

    Secondly, I still find it unlikely that they were getting gobs of money from various Seven of Nine action figures, but even assuming they were, she was still kind of a ratings bust.

    But at any rate, this thread isn't "Did Seven help Voyager?" but rather "why did they choose Kes to kick off?"
     
  8. sonak

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    because I live under a rock and am a lousy Star Trek fan, obviously.
     
  9. exodus

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    Which you refuse to believe even an official statement from those in charge of the show. So if you don't believe what those actually working on the show say, then who will you believe because nobody else but them would have the actual factual info?
     
  10. Guy Gardener

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    There have been many I would expect, women over the last 15, almost 20 years who have been able to say that for a very interesting duration that they have been living under The Rock, the most EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEectrifying lover in sports entertainment history...

    Not to be confused with proficienardo's of the first models of electrical vibrators that plugged into the wall socket, wait? Were they real? Or was Woody Allen just having a gas at my expense in Everything You Wanted to Know about Sex but was afraid to Ask?
     
  11. Lynx

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    Has it ever occurred to you that official statements aren't always the truth?

    And that authorities aren't always "good guys"? :confused:
     
  12. teacake

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    Woody was being truthful but the early models were prone to cause cock shock so no one talks about them any more. Electricity does not belong everywhere.
     
  13. DeepSpaceWine

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    I wondered myself about comments like that. Like the producers/writers don't have an angle to spin? Like the "Valentine" to ENT fans was genuine and they were utterly blindsided by the fact most of the audience took great offense to it? Their Kes statement contradicts the very real fact that they themselves acknowledged that Harry was their 1st intended target before People's magazine came out.

    Seriously, they could have gotten rid of Janeway and would of had a similar statement "She wasn't working out as captain. We couldn't think of stories for her/we were running out of material for stories for her".
     
  14. LOKAI of CHERON

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    Excellent point.
     
  15. Guy Gardener

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    These people could walk down the street with ease.

    Barely celebrities.

    They weren't generating heat.

    They were all disposable.

    Oh?

    I hear you.

    Wang had 5 minutes.

    But it's like Inception.

    5 Minutes of fame inside 5 minutes of fame.

    Different sorts of minutes.

    Compressed fame.

    One has to keep getting more powerful units of fame in shorter relative discretions of 5 minutes to continue ones acceleration to pierce the barrier into A list celebritarianism.
     
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  16. sonak

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    Yep. This is pretty much what I've been trying to say. Well put.
     
  17. Kooz

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    I think this is probably true. Even now, other than hardcore fans, I'd bet that almost everyone from Voyager could wander down the street without a second look. Seven would be recognized because she did other stuff and she was a Maxim/FHM darling for a while. Janeway *might* get recognized, and *perhaps* the Doctor too, but that's it. The rest of the cast never faded into obscurity because they were never anything but obscure!
     
  18. exodus

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    What does it matter?
    It won't bring her back.
    Who wants the reasons why they were fired made public knowledge? Most people and businesses agree to keep such knowledge private.
    You folks are sitting here condemning people over speculation. This is why the public shouldn't know much of what goes on behind the scenes sometimes because folks start being judgmental and go on witch hunts without a lick of proof.
    Seriously, what does the reason matter?
     
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  19. teacake

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    It's because as fans we must always secretly suspect there ARE witches, plotting the ruination of our true love.
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    E! True Hollywood Stories or VH1 behind the "X" would have nothing to reveal as the worm in the apple,

    I loves me some worms.

    (Secret Circle makes charmed look like Shakepseare. I'm losing all respect for Witches... Although I have a movie on que from 1996 called Casper meets Wendy, staring the heir to the Duff Beer fortune. Seriously. Her family is money.)