Why was Kes written off the show?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Kooz, Feb 23, 2012.

  1. Therin of Andor

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    That wasn't my point.
     
  2. Guy Gardener

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    I could tell.
     
  3. spot_loves_data

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    I thought it was mostly porn.

    (not picking on you, Lynx, I haven't read your fic)
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    Porn is when you get paid.

    Love is when your husband is sending naked pictures of you to a biker magazine.
     
  5. Fruitcake

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    Did you have a point other than nitpicking?


    Why do these things never happen to me..
     
  6. Therin of Andor

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    I thought you'd want to know. On previous occasions when someone has assumed that Lynx is female he gets upset.

    There's a little male symbol under his nick: [​IMG]
     
  7. Guy Gardener

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    Where's the icon that suggests one has been hatched from an egg?.
     
  8. sonak

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    If you take away a male cast member and add a female one, the ratio is just 5 males to 4 females, basically balanced, so that's not much of a big deal.
     
  9. You_Will_Fail

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    It is if the writers realize just how weak the majority of their male characters are already without taking one away (except the Doctor)
     
  10. Lynx

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    Not upset actually. I do know that the name Lynx is a bit confusing, for some reason feline nicknames are supposed to be female. The reason for the name is that yours truly once was a member of a short-lived and not sucessful rockband with that name. Not to mention that I came up with the name and the logo because of some fascination for this predator.

    However, years later I was inspired by the Maquis and started to write a fanfic about a bunch of Maquis in a spaceship called Lynx. When the "canges in season 4" had occurred, the half-written story turned into a Kes-comeback story but I kept the Maquis crew and the ship and shortly after that I changed my nickname to Lynx as well.

    When someone assume that I'm female, I politely point out the error.

    spot_loves_data wrote:
    You should read it. ;)

    No porn, mostly the kind of storytelling you find in a Star Trek novel (or at least an attempt to write in that style).

    Not to mention that both Kes and Janeway are still alive, still alive, still alive and well (as Johnny Winter use to sing).

    My first reaction: :eek: My second reaction: :lol: My third reaction: :guffaw:

    That comment made my day!
     
  11. JanewayRulz!

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    My first reaction was... "He watched last Sunday's installment of 'Once Upon a Time'."

    :guffaw:
     
  12. JanewayRulz!

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    Exactly my point.

    Take away a MINOR character from the ensemble and replace him with a MAJOR player and BOOM! Earth shattering changes in the # of male vs female storylines.
     
  13. sonak

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    You still have tuvok, the doctor, and Tom Paris. The only weak characters I see are Neelix and chakotay. Keeping Harry isn't a net plus for strong male characters.
     
  14. You_Will_Fail

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    Tuvok and Paris were still pretty weak characters though. Paris was a fairly malformed, insipid character and Tuvok was an emotionless Vulcan, he wasn't really *weak* per se, but naturally understated. And it certainly appeared the writers didn't have that much to do with him understandably. Vulcans as main characters only really work when they have to suffer with some kind of weakness or conflict.
     
  15. Fruitcake

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    Or the inevitable Pon Farr stories. I thought Tuvok was great in his interactions with other characters, when they occurred.

    In his interactions he made..

    Harry look like he needed remedial education

    Tom look like a stupid school boy

    The doctor look hysterical

    Janeway look like a good Captain who sought wise advice and knew who to lean on

    B'Elanna also looked like someone who could take advice in her interactions with him (maybe this is a female thing?) though she should have more resentment of him because of his spy status

    Kes looked full of potential and like some special glowy person

    with 7 she was shown to have met an intellectual equal whose logic was something she could respect

    Then there was the Neelix stuff.. which showed Neelix to be not only annoying but also someone with tender feelings as well as affections.

    Can't even remember anything about Tuvok and Chakotay. Interesting though that his interactions made the men look dumb and the women look good.
     
  16. OldManDax

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    Cuz' she was dull as all get out...and the Pollyanna stuff in her characterisation was extraordinarily annoying. With the exception of her behavior in that episode where she's inhabited by that ancient warlord guy (name escapes me), I found the character existed as mere window-dressing, and was used mostly to tell the other characters how "good" they were, or how good they should be. Dull.
     
  17. Fruitcake

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    That is an excellent word for her and I think I will be stealing it and using it in any of my Kes commentary in the future.

    "Warlord". LOL That ep did give me a pause because Lien was actually interesting in it.
     
  18. Fruitcake

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    Sorry Therin, I see you were just being helpful.

    Did Lynx always have the gender symbol? Because I thought it wasn't always there.
     
  19. Guy Gardener

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    This is how you logically work it out to within a ballpark after taking in Lynx's constant point of view and the clarity of his fanfiction.

    Lynx is a man who is thoroughly in love Jennifer Lien.

    Lynx is a woman who is thoroughly in love Jennifer Lien.

    Lynx is Jennifer lien.

    Lynx is Jennifer lien who is thoroughly in love with Jennifer Lien.

    So from that data we can assume that there is a %75 percent chance that Lynx is a woman, A %50 chance that Lynx is a woman who thoroughly loves Jennifer Lien and only a %25 percent chance that lynx is any sort of man at all. In fact, there's twice as much chance that Lynx is Jennifer Lien than a man.
     
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  20. Lynx

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    Huh? :eek:

    To be honest, those shots really missed the target.

    I'm not Jennifer Lien and I'm not in love with her. I don't know her, have never met her and she's a married woman.

    Not to mention that Jennifer Lien never was in a rock band called Lynx either. ;)

    However, I happen to like the character Kes and I do think that it was wrong to dump the character and fire Jennifer Lien the way they did, for very dubious reasons.

    I do also have a certain amount of dislike for people in suits who mess up things, often with short-term profit as only motive. Unfortunately I've seen some examples of ruined careers because of stupid and unnecessary decisions.

    teacake wrote:
    No, it hasn't always been there. I added it just to avoid the misunderstandings we are debating.

    OldManDax wrote:
    I don't find her "dull" at all, not compared with many other Trek characters. I could easily point out about 8-10 characters who are dull and Kes is none of them.

    teacake wrote:
    Oh, please don't make me dig up the old "Barbarella" comment for another character. ;)