why was ensign kim not promoted at all in 7 years?

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  1. Fruitcake

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    I can't even remember the Heroes appearances.. but that show is on my list of things to get back to. It keeps getting further down the list as more people keep telling me it went down hill.
     
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    Why do you hate Riker so much? I see you bashing Riker in every other one of your posts! :lol:
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    The thing is that Pat had stopped appearing to age.

    Between 40 and seventy that Sir Stewart is going to look basically the same.

    Meanwhile the change from 27 to 35 for a bloke is like dog years squared.
     
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    I've never done it (or practically never done it--I think there was once an incident) on the TNG forum though.

    He's gross, he's like a dog version of every Alpha male stereotype. He barks, he lunges as he walks, he's smarmy, he talks in an aggressive manner in completely unwarranted situations. There is nothing likable about him.
     
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    How does he manage that anyway.. he keeps in shape which must be a lot of it, and there's no hair to watch go grey.

    The big visual slump from youth is muscle tone in the face.
     
  6. Guy Gardener

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    No he doesn't.

    (Probably?)

    Men from that generation, from that country.

    Pat's just got one of those bodies that looks like normal unless he does something stupid like drink booze every night or add butter to everything.

    The problem with most people is that they don't like their bodes natural predilections and fight them.

    Can you imagine Pat in a spinning class for 3 hours a day?
     
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  8. Fruitcake

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    No he doesn't.. keep in shape? The recent photos I've seen of him he definitely looks like he works out. These are the t shirt wearing pics from cons.

    In other words I refuse to believe that this level of non-agedness can be achieved merely by abstaining.
     
  9. Fruitcake

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    YOU are my FRIEND.
     
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    true.
     
  11. Fruitcake

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    The whole thread?

    :eek:
     
  12. Timewalker

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    You're talking about nuKirk, in which case it DOES NOT COUNT. Besides, on his worst day, Harry Kim could never be as obnoxious as nuKirk.

    And sexiness. (And yes, I'm a straight female and he's a gay male, and so what?)

    The thing is, the CHARACTER of Sulu was always shown to be at least heterosexual. He flirted with women, and in the "Generations" movie (much as I loathed that movie), we are told that Sulu has a daughter.

    Of course we don't know if Demora Sulu is adopted, cloned, from another universe, found in a cabbage patch, the product of a normal pregnancy achieved in a heterosexual relationship with a woman, the product of a surrogacy arrangement, or whatever.

    Another possibility is that the CHARACTER of Sulu is bisexual. My favorite fanfiction series (Valjiir) shows Sulu as openly, unashamedly bisexual, with a variety of lovers from different species, of either sex.

    So when it comes down to it, what difference would it make?

    Enterprise screwed with canon something awful, which is why I could never like even the mere existence of the series. And to me, not one of the human/alien characters was likeable. The only character I liked was Porthos.

    We should have had a "Captain Sulu" series with the Excelsior. Damn, he proved in the sixth movie and in "Flashback" that he'd be a great starship captain, and just because Takei didn't show up all over the place on network TV like Shatner, Nimoy, and (in B5) Koenig did, that's no reason to assume he wasn't/isn't a perfectly competent actor.

    And what's wrong with Patrick Stewart's chest? [​IMG]

    Or any other portion of his anatomy, for that matter? Have you never seen him in I, Claudius?

    First-season Riker was too damn perfect. He was like a more aggressive and less-sensitive version of TMP's Will Decker. I mean, he's in his quarters and getting off on a holographic projection of angelic women playing harps? Come on! And those "puppy eyes" just made me shudder. Puppy-eyed expressions belong on puppies, not adult human males.

    Every other season-Riker... yuck. In addition to the reasons listed upthread, he had this weird tilt to his head and list to his body when he walked, like he was going to tip over. One of my high school math teachers always walked like that - like he had to tilt his head to the side lest he bump it on a ceiling that was still several feet above him, and it drove me crazy! And he'd never sit properly on the bridge - Newsflash, Riker: We know you're male. You didn't need to keep advertising it in every damn episode!

    And Jonathan Frakes never had the classical training Patrick Stewart had. It takes a lot of practice and physical training to keep in shape for all those Shakespearean plays and other period pieces. Keeping in shape and eating right are probably as natural to Patrick Stewart as breathing.
     
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    No, and nothing wrong with his chest I'm just teasing him about his silk dressing gown. Or perhaps I should say I am subtly emasculating him by making derisive and dated comments on his attire.

    But hey, at least there were no skant scenes.
     
  14. Guy Gardener

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    Gene Roddenberry wrote in the adaptation of star Trek the Motion Picture that everyone in the 23rd century was bisexual except Kirk.
     
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    Yeah, he'd look pretty stupid in one of those (actually all the TNG characters did).

    But Patrick Stewart in a Roman tunic or Praetorian Guard uniform?

    :drool: :drool: :drool:
     
  16. Guy Gardener

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    It was also interesting to see him as an asshole. :)

    I really should watch that bastard again.
     
  17. Timewalker

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    The first role I ever saw him play was Lucius Aelius Sejanus. The whole series is available as entire episodes on YouTube. :D
     
  18. Fruitcake

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    So it's canon.

    YES.
     
  19. Guy Gardener

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    Novels ain't canon.

    Even novels by the producers, god bless Jeri Taylor's little cotton socks.
     
  20. Fruitcake

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    You know how all that stuff from Mosaic got incorporated into the show and LO! it was canon?

    That's why we have subtext. Gene told us and we extrapolated. Being a very subtle man he didn't want to use a hammer to drive home his bisexual points.