Why the John Hurt Doctor is not considered to "really be" the Doctor

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  1. beneldon

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    Re: Why the John Hurt Doctor is not considered to "really be" the Doct

    #10 transferred regeneration energy into his previously severed hand and begat Roseten; Perhaps something may have happened to #8 that splits his regen into #9 and Hurt. Of course, how to do you tell this story without the #8 and #9 actors being in the show...
     
  2. Photoman15

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    The thing that HurtDoctor did that makes all the other "Doctors" ashamed is that he left a door open so that Dalek upon Dalek upon Dalek can escape.
     
  3. Emperor-Tiberius

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    So, by that logic, should the Doctors be ashamed of the Fourth incarnation for not destroying the entire Dalek race in Genesis of the Daleks?
     
  4. captain crow

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    If I remember right in in the original series they never gave a reason why. They just stated that they couldn't regenerate more than 12 times. At a guess I would figure it's because their body's cells can only handle being rebuilt 12 times.



    Yup. He wants to be the one to extend or undo the regen limit.


    Everyone always forgets about poor old Richard Hurndall.:( Not to mention Michael Jayston and Toby Jones.

    Going by the dialog at the end of "The Name of the Doctor" Moffat is setting up that the Doctor has no problem admitting what he did. He's just so ashamed by the incarnation that did it that he disavows his exsistance.

    Basically, it's cheap and easy way to add another incarnation and keep the current Doctor numbering order the same by having selves 10-12 (possibly 13 as well) strip the 9th of the Doctor title.
     
  5. Starkers

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    9,10 and 11 might be upfront and open about what they did, but war is a messy business and, so far as we can asscertain, the Time War waged for a while. A man might spend years fighting in a war, and do terrible things that still stay on one side of the moral fence, yet in one battle, one skirmish, cross the line horrendously--that's what I imagine is the case in this instance.

    As for the biology of the situation, hasn't RTD already somewhat messed things up by creating 10.5?

    Actually are we sure Hurt isn't an 8.5 who was somehow reamalgamated when the Doctor regenrated into nine?
     
  6. Deckerd

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    I think he has to be a Doctor in his own right, since he doesn't look like any of the other Doctors. I'm one of the 'new Doctor is actually the 13th' camp but I think Bob may be right in saying that Moffat created a mess and now has to find a way out of it.

    Also 'there can only be 12 regenerations' is never going to stick so there's no point in getting upset about it trampling over True Fans' feelings.
     
  7. Morpheus 02

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    Here's a thought....is it possible that a regeneration goes horribly wrong and splits the Doctor in two? So that McGann's dr. turned into Eccleston's, but ALSO Hurt's? So that's why he was a cast off (along with what he did)?
     
  8. Captaindemotion

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    Yes, I think that could work. A sort of non-identical twin situation but arising from a regeneration, rather than human birth. Though if that's what they do, it'll make the absence of McGann and Eccleston even more glaring.
     
  9. Emperor-Tiberius

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    And you think it won't be already?
     
  10. Venardhi

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    That is a cheat, and a bad one.
     
  11. Captaindemotion

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    Why do you think I said 'even more' glaring?
     
  12. Emperor-Tiberius

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    Ah, right. Sorry, Captain!
     
  13. Captaindemotion

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    ^ No problem Emperor!
     
  14. Herkimer Jitty

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    Bingo.

    He's The Doctor in the same way that Bruce Wayne would still be Batman if he gunned down a family in an alley. Which is to say, not at all.

    The Doctor is a selected name, an identity. A promise to the universe, and to himself. Like Batman.
     
  15. Allyn Gibson

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    IDW's Doctor Who #12 may shed some light on John Hurt's Doctor.

    Bleeding Cool reprints the two relevant pages, set on Gallifrey on the last day of the Time War. Here's the important dialogue:

     
  16. Emperor-Tiberius

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    So, the Ninth basically had nothing to do with the Time War, then?
     
  17. StCoop

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    He did. Eccleston's Doctor, the tenth, didn't.

    Oh, my head...
     
  18. Emperor-Tiberius

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    LOL!

    I know the feeling... So, to rephrase: The ECCLESTON-DOCTOR had nothing to do with the Time War, then?
     
  19. Green Lantern

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    Maybe at the last momments of the time war Hurt regenerated into Ecleston and Eccleston decided to do the right thing and end it.
     
  20. Emperor-Tiberius

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    Thats how I actually thought they're gonna do it. Perhaps even have stock footage of Eccleston to have him as the Doctor end it all.