Why I Wrote A Mad Men Episode With Negroes, by Erika Alexander

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Shaka Zulu, Apr 14, 2013.

  1. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2013
    Location:
    Bulawayo Military Krral
    Why I Wrote A Mad Men Episode With Negroes

    The script in question: MAD-MEN-UPTOWN-SATURDAY-NIGHT
     
  2. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    Game of Thrones is set thousands of years in the future on another planet, that considering the erratic orbit around the sun, might not even be a planet... Winter could just be the time the biosphere spends inbetween solar systems... If it's real that is, and not VR. I was thinking that winter was about preserving power when the ship is too far away form a power supply (sun) but it might just be a method of thinning the human stock when they become too plentiful for the ships resources to maintain.

    The only thing that kept black people back and white people white up to this point is racism. Now that it is LESS culturally offensive for people to stray from expectations, white people are going to get darker and Black people are going to get lighter until the white people are black and the black people are white and they all start again from opposite sides.
     
  3. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2013
    Location:
    Bulawayo Military Krral
    Funny as usual.
     
  4. Australis

    Australis Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2005
    There was no diversity in the era of Mad Men. Does that really need to be said? Unless you set it in an alt universe, just no.
     
  5. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    Maybe there's a basement office where all a host of negros do all the work for the agency, because between the alcoholism and constant sexual exploitating, our heroes don't have time to do their jobs, but the black kids down stairs need a believable front so all the kids of the old cotton barons will give their company all the money, so it's like a symbiotic relationship where everyone wins?
     
  6. Tosk

    Tosk Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2001
    Location:
    On the run.
    My first thought when reading this...if Mad Men had more "people of color" (what an obnoxious phrase) in it, wouldn't people just complain about the show portraying a way of thinking that we are supposedly beyond now?

    And I've never understood how seeing your own ethnicity/race in a production somehow makes it better. But maybe that's just me?
     
  7. scotpens

    scotpens Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2009
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    In fact, at least one major U.S. corporation made a concerted effort to court black consumers and hired a black advertising executive and sales staff for that purpose -- not in the 1960s, but even earlier, in the 1940s.

    Link


    Oh. Kind of like Dr. Seuss' Sneetches, I guess.
     
  8. sidious618

    sidious618 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2005
    Location:
    sidious618
    I 100% agree with her on all those shows except Mad Men. Mad Men is about the rich, entitled pricks in business at the time and those were largely white men along with a few white women thrown in.
     
  9. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    Totally, or Blue Mink.
     
  10. gblews

    gblews Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Location:
    So. Cal.
    :wtf:

    That's not my recollection of the period. There were plenty of minorities around, you just didn't see them in the mainstream media. Mad Men is supposed to partially be a portrayal of the era in which it is set, not a portrayal of the media of the era in which it is set.
     
  11. IndyJones

    IndyJones Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2002
    Location:
    Chicago
    Mostly just you, I expect. In addition to being more true to life, it certainly does make a difference to see people who look like you, or act like you, on screen.

    Agreed.

    Now, they could have created plot lines that would have placed the characters in more diverse situations, and they certainly could have covered the Civil Rights Movement in more depth, but I don't have much of a problem with the way they're depicting the era. Hell, I was born in the 80's and my high school was whiter than SCDP is. ;)

    That said, any other show taking place in NYC that goes weeks at a time showing only white people? Insane.
     
  12. cultcross

    cultcross The truth is precisely the opposite Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2001
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    OP, please in future provide a little commentary or opinion if your own rather than just copy pasting from elsewhere and reproducing it here, as per the pinned rules at the top of the forum.

    Many thanks.
     
  13. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2013
    Location:
    Bulawayo Military Krral
    Indeed.

    Now, they need to start showing how ad agencies courted the Afro-American consumer in the 1960's (which did happen with the selling of a certain brand of malt liquor around 1966.) That, and the realization that other type of products need to be targeted to Afro-Americans as well.
     
  14. stj

    stj Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2006
    Location:
    the real world
    I'm pretty sure that part of the appeal of Mad Men is going back to more manly times, as well as whiter times. Certainly, insofar as Mad Men is about Don Draper, rather than about advertising, much less the US in the Sixties, there is no excuse for the monochromatic society.
     
  15. Deckerd

    Deckerd Fleet Arse Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2005
    Location:
    the Frozen Wastes
    Were there advertising agencies in the 1960s which only had white people working there? If the answer is 'no' then she has a valid point to make. If the answer is 'yes' then not so much.
     
  16. Australis

    Australis Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2005
    I can't watch the show. I'm a guy and I find it irredeemably sexist. Yes, that was the times, and an accurate representation, probably. But I don't live there.
     
  17. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    Darrin Stevens.

    Larry Tate vs. Don Drapper in a misogynistoff?

    Colleagues? I doubt it.

    But what about customers?
     
  18. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2001
    Seriously? Having lived during that time, I'm surprised to "learn" this.

    I guess it didn't need to be said.
     
  19. the G-man

    the G-man Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2010
    Location:
    to your immediate right
    Clearly, the writer cited In the OP has no idea what "Mad Men" is about or what kind of people the SCDDP people are/were
     
  20. gblews

    gblews Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Location:
    So. Cal.
    The "answer" is irrelevant even though I'm sure there were some blacks employed at ad agencies in positions other than secretaries and mail room employees even in 1960's New York.

    Mad Men is about Don Draper and his life, his ad agency, advertising and ad agencys in the 1960's, and the 1960's. None of that precludes stories with black people in them. They don't have to show blacks in positions of power or in positions like Draper's in order to feature them in stories.

    Don, who is cheating again, has an affair with a black woman--it turns into more than he expected. Roger has an affair with black woman... Pete has affair with black woman... More provacatively, Peggy has affair with black man... The agency gets into financial trouble, sees advertising to blacks as a way to quick bucks with no competition -- hires black person to culturalize creative staff. They could do a story featuring Don's secretary.

    Hell, even I can come up with easy ways to include black people. I'm not advocating this, but thinking that Mad Men doesn't produce stories with blacks because they can't -- because the show is set in the 1960's -- is simply incorrect. It is because either AMC doesn't want it or Matthew Weiner doesn't or both.

    But to be fair, in the first few seasons the show did have some stories with blacks. It has only been in the last couple of seasons that it has appeared that there are no blacks on Mad Men.