Why do so many people rag on "Dear doctor"

Discussion in 'Enterprise' started by WesleysDisciple, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. R. Star

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    This is definitely true. I never doubted at all the PD was well intentioned. There is definite harm that can occur when a technologically advanced society intervenes with a less so one. Our own history of colonialism is tribute to that. It was there to protect them from us pretty much.

    But just because there are some times that we shouldn't intervene, that doesn't mean we should never intervene. I like the line Paris gave in one episode, "They're all going to die, what can be worse than that?" To which Janeway had no reply but to pull rank. Not intervening when a disease or natural disaster is going to wipe out a whole race, when the Federation could help, makes them in part responsible when they don't. The whole "moral" premise of Pen Pals, Homeward, really made me mad. Letting whole races die just because of a technicality and then calling it the ethical choice? That just baffles me.
     
  2. Gov Kodos

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    The episode takes Evolution to the level of a religion, and to say let nature take its course is just another way to say its God's Will the Valakians die. Phlox had no business working on a cure, then, whatever happened to the Menk if he's going to be consistent. As for the Menk and Valakians living together, they'd been managing it up to that point. Who's he to decide they can't do so in the future, since by withholding the cure that is what he has done. It is everything reprehensible about the Prime Directive from TNG on in Trek.
     
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  3. Mach5

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    Pretty much, yeah.
     
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    Riker used the term "cosmic plan" to describe why they should let a whole planet of people die in Pen Pals.
     
  5. GalaxyX

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    Using myself as an example, I've taught people how to play the Piano.

    I've had students that start from scratch completely, and pick up the lessons really quickly, that I find myself getting into more advanced concepts with them really quickly. I had a kid who was playing simple chord progressions in about a month's time, and within 3 months he was a really good beginner.

    Other students have taken much longer to understand basic concept, and I have to really bring it down to basic steps for them.

    Anyway, the bottom line is that there's knowledge that is pretty much absolute. The table of the elements for one. Unless someone comes up with a radically different new theory on the atomic weight and composition of elements that makes even more sense than what we know now, then I think it's safe to assume that our current knowledge is pretty accurate, and would not change on another planet.

    This type of foundational knowledge could have been provided to them and I don't believe it would cause any serious repercussions.

    Their leader already knows of incredible materials of construction, to build vehicles that can fly far above her world. While they probably knew their world was round, it's unlikely anyone could have imagined what it looked like from that high up. Now at least one person knows. This person also knows of incredible technology that can make you disappear and reappear in another location. And a bunch of people know that it is possible to make things invisible and create fake camouflage, like a realistic looking mountain edge.

    At that point I don't see how just leaving makes things any better.

    Enterprise was pretty schizophrenic on the whole "interfering with other cultures" idea. It wanted to tell us it was right, while looking like it was wrong.

    TOS told us it was wrong while looking like it was right.

    TNG just flat out said wrong, with no leeway.