Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?

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  1. Melakon

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    I already gave you a clue, you aren't getting any more.
    I had it running in the background during the earlier post. I wanted to check the Kirk/Sisko scene lifted from "Mirror, Mirror". Kirk's wearing the wraparound in that too.

    It's okay as a fanwank show, but my biggest problem with it is they didn't mimic the music from the original. Just that awful Bermanzak running through the whole thing, bringing down the effectiveness of what they were doing at least a notch.

    As a side note, I hope to be switching to a new (or repaired) computer tomorrow. If I disappear for several weeks again, it may be because I underestimated costs to do so. This computer is running XP, which by my time will stop being supported in 2 hours. I intend to disconnect the modem before then.
     
  2. Guy Gardener

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    You do understand that that is not a real problem?

    My version of XP was found on the internet, which means that the automatic updates have been turned off since I installed the bugger... I'm 5 years behind the curve and never had any problem that was so horrible I couldn't work my way out the other end.
     
  3. Melakon

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    If things don't work out tomorrow, I may come in for a few minutes, but I don't want to hang around for hours like I often do, until I have a second machine working.

    My current goal is a cheap laptop that will get me here and a few other sites, like YouTube. I would make that my only online machine. Then I would take my time repairing the machine that needs a hard drive, upgrading this machine if possible, and rig the two offline machines together for a miniature render farm. I don't have a router to enable two machines to talk to each other, but that's a long term goal.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    Past half way in the book...

    Seven proved herself to be an expert in cloaking technology in Nightingale, you would think that means that she is also an expert on the flipside of the technology which is "busting cloaks" which is how the Federation proves itself in this cold war arms race that they are having with the Romulans... Seven should be able to wiggle the sensors to see through such a ridiculous game of peekaboo with the 23rd century Klingons because a, their technology is remedial, and b, she might not have to do any math, and could just already "know" what cloaking frequencies the Klingons are using because they are a historically recorded fact that they were using at this point in time, if she had assimilated the right people... If Seven wasn't purposely folding her arms because of the "Temporal Prime Directive" (which doesn't even exist in even the 24th century!) that she is allowing the almost certainty of being murdered in an obvious trap, to conceptually protect the timeline from some harmless agitation.)
     
  5. Melakon

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    Are you sure?

    Chakotay and Janeway both invoke it in "Shattered".
     
  6. Guy Gardener

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    And that about Shattered has kept me in a state of perpetual rage.

    Here's where I went wrong...

    I've thought that Tuvok said "What is that?" directly after Seven says "temporal prime Directive" for years and years, and years.

    But this is what everyone else heard...

    But it seems that whatever I was doing at the time that I made this memory (painting?) kept me distracted, and the pieces of the conversation do not fit together like I thought they did.


    Oh bother. :(

    Frakk me.

    The Temporal Prime Directive showed up in Timeless.
     
  7. teacake

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    No no!! I can't read the spoilers, I can't!

    :: holds herself back ::

    I am on page 135. I have been stymied in my train reading by being forced to stand in a crush of people for half the trip and not being able to read due to undue lurching from side to side.

    However in tonight's episode Kirk's (gold) shirt was ripped! And there were slashes! And the shoulder was off! It was just like good quality TOS. And speaking of good quality TOS one thing that has impressed me greatly is how Santiago is written. He is straight out of old school TOS, the yelling, the barking, the ego driven bureaucrat with the one note tragic story he must play out against all friends and foes. That style of man was woven through TOS and presumably it was woven through 60's tv. It always looks a little ridiculous today. And I think it was captured perfectly by Greg in this novel. Kudos.
     
  8. Guy Gardener

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    (I'm up to chapter 21.)

    Santiago is a dick.

    (But yes, very true to the era.)

    Shit or get off the pot.

    He needs to tie Seven to a table and see what he can pry from her.

    Milksop weed of a manchild barking impotently!

    If he's sure that he's righteous, then he can't be punished for saving the Federation, surely?

    I am agog to think what doe eyed thumb suckers that he has outsmarted into giving peace a go?

    His wife died. Boo hoo.

    Kirk missed his chance to bang Joan Collins!

    You ain't in the same league, hell you ain't even playing the same game.

    As long as they have the stasis tubes out, can't they anticipate that Santiago is going to be a problem and put him a way for a couple weeks, and perhaps let that smart and quick witted aid of his take over the diplomats duties?
     
  9. teacake

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    Of course all those barking admirals and diplomats do serve another purpose. They make Our Captain look damn good.
     
  10. Melakon

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    After 3 hours of going to 3 different stores, with train rides and about 2-3 miles of walking, the only thing I could find in the way of a laptop I could afford required wireless, which I don't have. So I'll take my chances, rethink the hard drive/operating system option, and/or wait until next month when I might have more money available to resolve this. So it's been a crappy day, except for riding the train 4 times.
     
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    Just get one on ebay. It will be way cheaper. I've gotten every laptop and computer for years that way. You can find sellers with great feedback. OR if you are handy yourself you can buy a second hand one for very little money the same way, and again there are sellers who will be honest and clear about the laptop and have great feedback.
     
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    Oh and another thing about Santiago and TOS. I remember on my third rewatch of ENT it suddenly hit me. THIS is why Archer is such a dick, so embarrassing to watch particularly in Broken Bow and early seasons, he's cut from the same cloth! Whatever happened to man in WWIII and going to the stars and blahdeblah they somehow ended up with huge whining chips on their shoulders and the need to defend and bark loudly. Really, like dogs, there's a noise in the room and the dog must make sure you know he is there too and not going away. Watching Archer as if he was a TOS fellow really helped, yes I just ignored the pesky reality that unlike (presumably) Greg Cox's Santiago he wasn't deliberately written that way.
     
  13. Melakon

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    Thanks, I'll examine mail order options again, but I prefer buying electronics new. Newegg and tigerdirect were recommended to me in another thread. I'll also take a closer look at the catalog sites of brick & mortars I'm familiar with, and major discount chains. That way, I might be able to find something I can afford with the money I have available within the week.

    I always research this stuff for weeks so that I'm comfortable with the final decision, and loyalty to brands and stores is important to me. I think my reaction to imitation Nutella was example of that. ;)
     
  14. Guy Gardener

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    Dude. Pawn shops. Often, there's nothing wrong with whatever is there, it's just that the former owners are irresponsible idiots who need to buy drugs STAT (Or drug dealers have been paid for drugs with computers, toasters or lawnmowers.). I remember once walking into a pawn shop, a big one the size of a car show room, and there was an "area" with 8 high end computerized mixing tables gathering dust because 8 people, probably 16 year old idiots pooling their birthday money, decided months earlier that they wanted to be DJs and then quickly figured out what an awful idea that was because it's actually really hard work to get good, and then even harder work to turn that skill into a paying job.

    I got my own wireless router from my ISP for free because I signed up to their service for a three year contract (almost 5 years ago, so it's MINE now.) but changing your broadband plan, or changing your ISP entirely can get you a free new router/modem with wireless if you feel that the world is leaving you behind.

    I was wondering earlier why you hadn't networked you rendering PCs with your wireless connection, and now I know. :)

    Archer needed Porthos as camouflage, so that no body would smell that he is also a dog.
     
  15. Melakon

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    There are quite a few pawnshops within walking distance, so yes that's a possible avenue. Though I'd probably be looking to see if the synthesizers I pawned 20 years ago showed up there.

    Archer had no trouble getting girls, because he would just sit at a table and lick his eyebrows.
     
  16. Guy Gardener

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    Women like dogs.

    Who said that wasn't true?
     
  17. teacake

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    Me.

    And.. I am on page 251.

    Kirk feels a pang of pain in a Treklit must-reference-the-show moment about how he also lost a child.. and this threw me, threw me against the bulkhead ! Well not really but people are getting thrown against the bulkhead in Greg's book because this is TOS. For a moment I was WHAT WHAT WHAT! Because I'd been picturing virile delicious Kirk and now I thought I should be picturing somewhat seedier and more Shatner Kirk because David.. and then I knew, it was Miramanee's child. And I think I recall Greg hinting that events of that episode would very briefly be mentioned in this book, though that might also be my imagination, still I am inclined to go mopey over her so perhaps this did happen.

    Kirk thought something today, well I read it today, and I had a good laugh because of all my Kirk/Janeway blathering, I almost felt like Greg had put this sentence in the book for me. Yes I am that fat headed.

    "Janeway who? Kirk thought."

    So there hasn't been an real 7 and Kirk action yet, but that's understandable given the circumstances, after all Kirk sometimes does wait until events are concluded before it's time to get out the soft focus and the swishy woman music.

    BUT I had an amazing picture in my head reading some of this. Future Star Trek show of Greg Cox's crossover time travel novel. It can be a movie or a double episode. And we have NuKirk who is hot and played by Pine and we have 7 and she is played by JERI RYAN who looks just as good if not better today. I am sure Jeri would love to be in a major blockbuster movie starring opposite Chris Pine as his love interest and we wouldn't even have to wait for events to conclude! There could be sexual tension from scene one! I am sure Greg would not mind these additions to the script.

    I bet he couldn't have put that in the book even if he wanted to as the Treklit PTB would be like uhh.. you know how no one is ever to know what Yoda's species is well 7 cannot get it on with anyone in this part of the VOY timeline because she is being saved for Chak, how would Chak feel if he knew he was not just rescuing an emotionally feeble borg with his love but following in the notches of James T. Kirk? Of course they can't do that to Chak. Plus they had to save up all the Chak angst for killing Janeway.
     
  18. Guy Gardener

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    Ebook page count is different to hardcopy page count, but you're ahead of me now.

    As I understand time travel in Star Trek, to travel through time you either wrap yourself in a bubble that makes you immune to time, where upon you either go forward or back... Or you launch outside of time, and then fall back inside time where you wish to be or just happen to be, but in either case you are completely severed from your personal history and no longer a sum total of history that will have happened if anything changes.

    The point is if the timeline "changes" while you are time travelling (when time isn't touching you.), that you wil arrive in the newly renovated timeline with your now foreign continuity completely intact, and wonder what the hell happend and where the hell you are.

    Depending which fake science is true, Seven travelling forward in time from some adventure in the past before split with the movie will either arrive in only the the movie continuity 24th century, or alternatively appear in both the movie continuity 24th centiry and the TV continuity timeline considering it's shrodinger that the Narada both did and did not appear in the early 23rd century and both timelines that result from the incursion happening and not happing each played out.

    By these Rules Sisko from the TV 24th century, should now arrive in the Movie 23rd century and wonder what the hell went wrong, because "time changed the entire universe" while time was not able to change him because he was "protected" in a bubble or "out of bounds" outside time.
     
  19. teacake

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    I have just started chapter 24.. oh this means I can go back and read the spoilers :D

    What's interesting about injecting 7 into NuTrek is that you have now said more about the workings of this in your post than the movie going audience will ever hear. There will be a maximum of three sentences explaining it. The first sentence will be the" "but what?!" query (McCoy can say this), the second sentence will be the fake science explanation (Spock can say this) and the third sentence will be the philosophical "it gives us a headache but we better run with it" conclusion that puts the question to rest. Not for the hardcore of course, but for the people eating popcorn.
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    With how I said time (might) work... That means that classic Kirk with his whales are protected from alterations to the time line, and will still arrive at just the right moment to save the earth from destruction from the Probe in the nu movie timeline and not the old movie timeline. Actually if every Enterprise returned to the wrong present from their adventures in the past, there could be dozens of classic Era Enterprises skulking around the Abrams Federation wondering what the hell happened to their homeland?

    I'm inside chapter 25.

    When the Orions started attacking, I thought, hey Seven is going to run away with the Enterprise into Fluidic Space "briefly". Hell yeah! But she didn't. Then I thought she was going to use the transporter as a weapon, or at least invent pattern scramblers (DS9 Empok Nor) so that the orion pirates would explode rather than materialize... And in the pool, I thought because of her nanoprobes that she might not need to breath that often or at all... She she would be the rebreather, rebreathing oxygen into Scotty and the other red shirt with kisses. :)