Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by MarsWeeps, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk The Real Me Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2001
    Location:
    Down in the tube station at midnight
    The rank or the position? One can be a Captain and never command a ship. You can command a ship and never hold the rank of Captain.
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2008
    Location:
    #istandwithcbs
    While I agree that it's fanfiction, Walter Koenig playing Chekov on an exact replica Enterprise bridge, surrounded by Star Trek cast members being so totally dismissed seems... bizarre.
     
  3. Kinokima

    Kinokima Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2013
    I don't know I am not even sure how I feel about Sulu being captain of his own ship because I like how the movies made the TOS crew feel like a family and it was weird for me he wasn't with them (although I do like him drinking tea in the captain chair)

    Actually come to think of it I always sort of thought of Sulu/Chekov as a team. You know with them sitting next to each other. It would have been sort of nice to see Chekov as Sulu's first officer.
     
  4. NightJim

    NightJim Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2013
    Location:
    Dundee
    In the Excelsior books that's exactly what happens. War Dragons states outright that Chekov was Sulu's original choice for 1st officer but the Khan incident played on his conscience too much, so he went back to Kirk, and post Khitomer, but after Kirk died (as far as their concerned), Chekov finally steps up as 1st officer for Sulu.
     
  5. MarsWeeps

    MarsWeeps Fleet Captain Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2011
    Location:
    SubSpace
    Yes, that's what they should have done.
     
  6. Allyn Gibson

    Allyn Gibson Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2000
    Location:
    South Pennsyltucky
    On screen? No. Though there was a Chekov episode in development for TNG's seventh season.

    There are a number of novels that refer to an Admiral Chekov -- Federation, The Return, the Vulcan's Soul trilogy (where he actually appears).

    Peter David's The Captain's Daughter has Harriman taunting Chekov because he won't make captain.
     
  7. Captain Clark Terrell

    Captain Clark Terrell Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2013
    Location:
    The Captain's Table
    How does Harriman have any business taunting anyone, even if it is Chekov?

    --Sran
     
  8. Timo

    Timo Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2003
    ...Except to Chekov, who should have known better. He was a starship navigator and bridge officer who had been aboard Kirk's ship when the Captain stranded Khan there! An obvious failure in Chekov's part, perhaps punishable.

    Nope, that's in ST4:TVH. ;)

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  9. Captain Clark Terrell

    Captain Clark Terrell Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2013
    Location:
    The Captain's Table
    FWIW, I don't think Chekov is command material at all. I'm firmly intrenched in the camp that believes the Ceti eel left his body not because it sensed its sibling's death or because Chekov was fighting it but because it was starving to death and needed to find another host nervous system. It didn't realize Kirk was standing over it with his phaser drawn, however.

    --Sran
     
  10. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2009
    Location:
    The glorious Shetland Isles!
    Why didn't Uhura make Captain? She was the older and more experienced officer, she should have made Captain before Chekov did.
     
  11. Bacl

    Bacl Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2006
    Location:
    Wehnimer's Landing, Elanthia
    Uh, in TOS women were forbidden from being Captain.

    I mean, what if the ship is under attack and she's having her period or something?
     
  12. MarsWeeps

    MarsWeeps Fleet Captain Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2011
    Location:
    SubSpace
    There was never any evidence of Uhura being groomed for a career in command. Decades of "Hailing Frequencies Open" does not a Captain make.

    Chekov had made it all the way to First Officer, the next logical step in his career should have been Captain.
     
  13. Melakon

    Melakon Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2012
    Location:
    Melakon's grave
    Uhura was content to sit on her ass at Starfleet Headquarters while her career was winding down.
     
  14. Captain Clark Terrell

    Captain Clark Terrell Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2013
    Location:
    The Captain's Table
    ^Then how do you explain the captain of the Saratoga? In any case, it's important to remember that being a starship captain is something only a small percentage of people can actually do. The idea that everyone must eventually attain the rank because they've hung around long enough goes against the idea of a merit-based promotion system. No question that Uhura was good at her job, but that doesn't mean she'd have made a good commanding officer any more than Chekov would have been.

    The Enterprise chain of command was somewhat unusual during the films because of the numerous promotions and demotions that happened to various crew members, but the general pecking order aboard the ship was almost always the same:

    Kirk ---> Decker (TMP only) ---> Spock ---> Sulu ---> Chekov ---> Uhura.

    I've omitted Scotty in spite of his rank because his responsibilities were confined almost exclusively to engineering during this time period. He was second officer during TOS. Additionally, Saavik often took the conn during TWOK in spite of a lower rank than most of the bridge officers, but I suspect this was decided by Kirk and Spock as a way for her to gain command experience.

    Given the above order, Chekov was still far-removed from the center seat. He was Terrell's first officer, but Reliant was a smaller ship with a less experienced crew: Winston Kyle was at least a Lieutenant Commander and a bridge officer despite being only a transporter operator on the Enterprise. When he transferred back to Enterprise after TWOK, he was beneath Sulu in the chain-of-command ("Mr. Sulu, you have the conn. I'll be in my quarters.").

    --Sran
     
  15. austen_pierce

    austen_pierce Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Location:
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Did she ever want it? While she demanded respect from her peers and subordinates, I never got the impression she desired command.
     
  16. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2009
    Location:
    The glorious Shetland Isles!
    The same could be said of Chekov. Yes he was XO of the Reliant, but that was only for a short time before he took a step back--he seemed far more at home being Kirk's lackey than a leader in his own right.
     
  17. MarsWeeps

    MarsWeeps Fleet Captain Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2011
    Location:
    SubSpace
    Which is the reason I started this thread. Looks like we've come full circle! ;)

    Did Chekov change his mind about command or was he held back by Starfleet for some reason?
     
  18. austen_pierce

    austen_pierce Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Location:
    Virginia Beach, VA
    We'll never know. Maybe having a Ceti eel chew through his eardrum discouraged him.

    Another poster commented on Chekov's moments as acting captain of Enterprise in TFF and the dialogue with Sybok. Assuming Sybok is a Vulcan of some intelligence, why wouldn't he notice that Chekov ISN'T WEARING a captain's rank insignia?
     
  19. Melakon

    Melakon Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2012
    Location:
    Melakon's grave
    Sybok isn't in Starfleet, he's a civilian. I'm a civilian too, and I would never be able to distinguish American naval rank insignia, but I would be able to for army and perhaps air force, at least for commissioned officers. I'd have less luck with rank insignia of other countries.
     
  20. Allyn Gibson

    Allyn Gibson Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2000
    Location:
    South Pennsyltucky
    Even if Sybok did notice, it doesn't mean anything. Captain is both a title and a rank, and Commander Chekov would be allowed to identify himself as Captain Chekov when he's in command of the Enterprise.