Why did Doohan hate Shatner?

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  1. Sector 7

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    Thanks for the link. With all the vocal ShatHeads in here, I thought I was the only one who felt that way about ShatHead a.k.a. Shitner.
    ps.-you wouldn't happen to have a link for part 2 would you?
     
  2. EliyahuQeoni

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    Absolutely true. from their on-screen performances you'd never know there was any friction between the two of them personally.
     
  3. Phillip Culley

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    Just did a hunt for Part 2 myself, and it's here :)
     
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    Thanks to both of you. Wil always was a kool dude. I wish that ST:SA had gone forward. Glad to see he's done alright since then.
     
  6. DevilintheDark

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    If you dont like the "corn" why the hell watch TOS....its corny as hell and that is what makes it great.TNG is basically a soap opera, the others....i dont even know really.Shatner makes TOS what it is, besides Nimoy and Shatner you could replace anyone else on the show and its would still be great.Get rid of Shat and its a whole 'nother show...the pilot did have sort of an Irwin Allen feel to it.....
     
  7. Captain X

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    Uh, I don't really watch TOS all that much, other than some of the episodes I've seen reruns of. Fro mwhat I've seen, it's better than VOY, but the corn factor still places it as second-lowest on my list. My main turn-offs for TNG are the arrogant attitudes and blandness of the vast majority of the characters, but that's a topic for another thread.
     
  8. Good Will Riker

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    True, Shatner was acting like a douche and was quite full of himself.

    But, then again, we all have an aspect of ourselves that -- publicly -- would not be all that endearing. ;)
     
  9. darkwing_duck1

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    I'm no great defender of Shatner, but something about his life came to light not long ago that I never knew:

    Within a very short time of Trek ending back in the 60s, Shatner was LITERALLY reduced to living out of his car for a time. That can have an effect on a person.

    Also, it's my understanding that Shatner and Doohan came to at least a partial understanding with each other not long before Doohan died, so can't we let this go?
     
  10. misskim86

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    omg thanks for those links guys!!!

    Man I felt so bad for Will reading that stuff, I loved how nice Jonathan, Brent, Michael and Gene were to him though, they were so sweet.


    I'm not *that* young I'm 21
     
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  11. HobartFloyt

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    I'm no defender of Shatner, but I think it's obvious that he thought he was playing around a bit with Wil. What Shatner apparently didn't know, and wouldn't being Shatner, is that it doesn't take much to hurt a kid and Wil was one of those too-sensitive types on top of that.

    Doesn't excuse being an insensitive jerk, which is everyones main beef, but I don't think he meant to hurt Wil.
     
  12. voggmo

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    OK, I'm gonna try & be careful how I say this. It's well known what Doohan was unhappy about, the same thing Uhura & Takei were. However, different people react differently to the same event or topic, & I would imagine he was a bit more vocal & "out" so to speak in that place & time than say Uhura would have been. Some people vent their emotions, some people hide em & so on.

    Doohan was not a shy man. No I didn't know him personally, hence my disclaimer above, but still we all have different emotional construct is the point I'm trying to make without stepping on toes & such. Doohan went to more conventions than anyone did, & he is the guy I would have liked to meet more than any other.
     
  13. Sarah James

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    And a REAL human being would always speak the truth as he sees it. Or not? Or do we all stop being human and try to become flawless now? OK You may start trying. Good luck
     
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  14. Sarah James

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    Because Bill would bluntly hit on women (ask Nichelle Nichols) thinking they must appreciate his attention as a special honour anyway. He was known to accept a No though and then it was all forgotten. Still, he could be rude in his approach (ask Diana Muldaur).

    ...and he would make the most insensitive jokes about people of other minorities and get away with it! But of course. It was the 60s and the NBC suits (execs) were the worst racists and chauvinists ever. So he had a grateful audience at parties. Jimmy, on the other hand, decided to cut himself off from that group because amongst his friends there were many black people, Asians, native Americans and homosexuals.

    Did you know that Jimmy Doohan loved to attend Jazz cubs? In the offices they made fun of him. Because he would hang out with n...ers. Yup the truth hurts sometimes but that was the situation in the 60s when Martin Luther King was not yet shot dead and still fighting.
     
  15. Sarah James

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    As far as William Shatner is concerned, I have to rely on what his former co-workers are willing to tell us about him. And often it is more what is not said then what is said that is so intriguing.

    However, if you want to check out a good reference on James Doohan with fun anecdotes and great pictures then I can recommend these links. They are both people, very close to him and one of them is Doohan's own flesh and blood so... they should make good sources.

    1) http://www.myspace.com/chrisdoohan

    2) http://www.myspace.com/doohansdemon

    Let me know what you think
     
  16. The Squire of Gothos

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    Nazis didn't take his finger, Shatner bit it off and devoured it in a fit of rage off camera.
     
  17. Rabittooth

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    I was actually thinking this too. Even at 16, if I was in Wil's place, I don't think I would have been as hurt...probably not hurt at all. I think Wil was probably just a sweeter, more vulnerable kid.
    I grew up in NY and would probably have gotten a big kick out of Shatner breaking my balls like that and would have continued to talk to him and try to bring him around. Even if he didn't come around...I can still more fully understand that kind of attitude and recognize it for what it is...a minor form of grandstanding and ball-breaking. I think the Shat probably legitimately regretted hurting Wil, because, as was stated above...he didn't really mean to hurt him. I betcha Gene didn't tell him to apologize, probably just told him how bad Wil took it.
    That said...there obviously was and still is alot of arrogance there (with the Shat), it's just a question of whether or not you can overlook certain degrees of arrogance and eccentricity in a celeb based on how cool they are in other ways. Jack Nicholson...the coolest man alive...can reportedly be real jerk sometimes, but everyone loves it. He's Jack. :cool:

    -Rabittooth
     
  18. CorporalClegg

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    Yeah. I wonder what she had to say during the WW thing.
     
  19. HobartFloyt

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    I don't know that I'd go that far. Knowing the type, and having been an unintentionally insensitive jerk a time or two, I think it more likely that Shatner just would not have understood how Wil took offense at his (lame attempt at) humor. The problem and the correction probably had to be explained to him in detail. Even then he probably wouldn't have totally understood the need to do so, perhaps not for many years, because a person like Wil would be as alien to him as IRL green women.
     
  20. Mr. Fergy

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    Agreed. He loved the fans , but he was basically incommunicado toward the end.
     
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