Why are Trekkies so Hateful of Star Trek?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by milojthatch, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

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    Basically: We don't know if telepathy really exists. Since we don't know if it exists, there's no reason why we should have developed a way to measure how fast it works.

    We don't have all the facts about how the universe itself works. Maybe we will discover how to make FTL technology happen. I hope we will. But for now, such a technology remains a part of science fiction, and as long as it's applied consistently within whatever setting uses it, I'm content to suspend my disbelief.
     
  2. CorporalCaptain

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    Well, that's not really what I said, since I said that one is probably not wrong to assert that telepathy isn't real, as quoted below.

    But if that's your take-away from what I said, so be it.

     
  3. JirinPanthosa

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    I could be convinced FTL exists a lot more easily than I could be convinced telepathy exists.
     
  4. Viper78

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    Couldn't agree more. I prefer the Rodeddenberry/Berman Trek. I grew up watching TNG, DS9, VOY & then on to Enterprise. I have to admit the more I've seen of the Abrams films the more I hate them but I can understand why they were made as like you say it appeals to the wider audience.

    If this is what it takes to keep Star Trek alive then so be it, but for me it's sad if this is the future of Trek.
     
  5. Gov Kodos

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    So, 'Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World' is the best Trek film?
     
  6. BigJake

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    There are actually a number of different ways to appeal to a wider audience. The NuTrek films are really pretty cynical about mining nostalgia (for the property and for old-timey pulp SF) often at the direct expense of storytelling and believability. There were SF films made in both 2009 (Avatar) and 2013 (Gravity) that did not go this route and yet out-grossed the NuTrek films. Ergo the notion that some people have developed that this was necessarily the only way to update Trek is questionable.
     
  7. King Daniel Beyond

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    Insurrection was basically Avatar with middle-class white people.
     
  8. BigJake

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    ^ Not quite, because Insurrection was not 'Dances With Wolves,' and we all know that Avatar was basically 'Dances With Wolves.' ;)

    But really, the reason Avatar worked was that it embraced its identity as science fiction. With the handwaving about "unobtainium" aside (your typical SF story usually allows itself one or two piece of handwaving) everything about the planet's biology and visual design and even the Na'Vi is built to fit together logically and non-magically -- right down to flying wildlife whose design takes advantage of a denser atmosphere and lower gravity -- as well as to be relatable to some contemporary reality of the audience (hence the analogy between Pandora's biological network and a computer network). That's what made the setting so convincing and immersive that some audience members experienced depression on having to confront its intangibility.
     
  9. Viper78

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    I personally think a new series should be the way forward for Star Trek. Enterprise ended 9 years ago & the NuTrek films in my opinion aren't any good.
     
  10. BigJake

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    Hard to speculate on what's likely in any practical sense in the Trek franchise. It depends on what the next new film does. My own preference would be for an animated series, but the basic state of play right now appears to be that CBS isn't interested in returning it to television.
     
  11. Greg Cox

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    Don't be silly. Forbidden Planet is the best Trek film. :)
     
  12. BigJake

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    A Trek film based on 'The Far Side of the World' would -- or could -- actually be pretty great.
     
  13. MikeS

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    To answer the OP.

    I don't "hate" (such a strong word!), but I have no particular desire to watch VOY or ENT again because I find both the characters and stories a little dull. So I stay out of the forums.

    I don't "hate" Abrams Trek, but I have no particular desire to see those again as they are just "popcorn flicks". So again, I stay out of those forums.

    I don't understand anyone that would want to flame in the Voyager or Enterprise forums, those shows are long dead and nothing can be changed. But - I do understand why people get angry in the JJ forums. They do so because they believe they can change things by doing so. Personally I have plenty of other things going on in my life and I always have hours of TOS TNG and DS9 to watch again should I wish. But I can at least understand WHY people do it in that particular forum.
     
  14. Hober Mallow

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    "Faster than light" is about as realistic as "slower than stopped."
     
  15. Captain Kathryn

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    Well, even if you love something dearly like we all agree we love Star Trek...that doesn't mean you don't want to pick it apart a bit once in a while. I don't have anywhere to go to if I maybe want to dissect an episode or a film a little bit further than normal discussion with people in my life would allow. Besides, if we didn't nitpick or criticize anything, what would we talk about 99% of the time? I think it's a given that anyone posting a lot on these boards already is a Trek fan, so rehashing that fact won't really provide any kind of stimulating discussion, I think.
     
  16. Isolinear

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    Excellent analysis counselor!

    Personally, I don't hate any Star Trek. I just have different levels of disdain. :devil:

    - DS9's Profit and Lace: Embarrassed "Who approved this anti-woman crap?"
    - VOY's Fury: Angry. "They ruined Kes! What were they thinking?"
    - ENT's TATV: Bewildered. "What was the... point of Trip's crappy death in this story? I don't get it...
    - JJ's movies: Annoyed. This is Star Wars!!! Where's my Trek movie dammit? I'd rather watch Galaxy Quest, a much better Star Trek tribute.

    Doesn't mean I hate them and will never ever watch them again! (although Profit and Lace is painful)
     
  17. ichab

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    No kidding. If the OP thinks Trek fans are bad,he should go on over to MMORPG.COM and look at all the posters who hate the current MMOs. That place is a rolling cesspool of hate.
     
  18. JirinPanthosa

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    I agree. But for FTL to be possible our current understanding of the universe would have to be wrong. For telepathy to exist our thoughts would have to create magic particles that other minds could pick up with identical understanding. That or 'Time, space and thought are not separate things' and Wesley is Neo.

    A general rule of the Internet is, if you think people are hateful on the forum you're posting on, there are other forums that are far worse. Like, I've been to a craft beer forum where Budweiser gets hated on with the vitriol of five TATVs combined.
     
  19. I am not Spock

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    I don't hate Star Trek. I wouldn't own all the various shows and movies on DVD if I did, now, would I?

    There are some episodes I don't like, and some which just don't work at all, but I feel there's enough good in the ST saga to outweigh the bad. I am grateful to the JJ Abrams movies for reigniting the public interest in Star Trek. Do I have some issues with them? Yes, but I still enjoy them. Just like there were problems with Berman era Trek. I enjoy Voyager and Enterprise for what they are, despite the well-documented flaws.
     
  20. RapidoTrains

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