why another blu-ray of all Trek movies by 2016 will happen

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by jefferiestubes8, Jun 19, 2014.

  1. Gone Troppo

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    You know, I was thinking about upgrading my movie set to bluray considering that I have the first releases on DVD (except stid, waiting for the compendium set) and am not too happy with them. So while trying to find the best price, I came across listings for some of the movies being released (again) on Tuesday, July 1st. Anybody know what's with that? So far, I know Wal-Mart and I think Amazon have preorders up.
     
  2. austen_pierce

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    Links please? I see nothing for a July 1 release. Only the compendium set, slated for 9/9. That is here:

    http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Com...TF8&qid=1404126769&sr=1-23&keywords=star+trek
     
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    AND... this is another example of Amazon consolidating reviews across formats and releases. Normally, I'd look to the comments section for guidance on what exactly this is, but... foiled again. :rolleyes:

    As it stands, there is no review or comment listed for TWOK on Amazon since June 22, before the alleged July 1 date, so who knows... :confused:
     
  6. jefferiestubes8

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    The next home video physical medium player has started Announcing hardware releases.
    Next year the movies will take off.
    September 3, 2015 Samsung is the first company to announce an Ultra HD Blu-ray player, taking the lead in 4K and HDR video.
    As far as that UHD Alliance the tech industry and Hollywood are creating to push their new video standards.
    Including HDR (high dynamic range) video, wide color gamut, and Immersive Audio (Dolby Atmos).

    You can almost bet that Paramount want to sell the Trek franchise in every new physical media they can so that would require a 4k scan of each film. Hopefully from the original camera negative.
    I'm sure they would then use this new master to not only sell the UHD Bluray set of films but also a new regular blu-ray in HD of the films since the new media will be niche for a few years.
     
  7. MacLeod

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    Call me a cynic but a best they'll do a repackage and slap the 50th Anniversary logo on it and maybe chuck in one or two new bonus features.
     
  8. BillJ

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    I have a feeling the only Trek films that will be released in Blu-ray 4K will be the Abrams films. They'll probably have a box set of the three films that will come out around the anniversary on September 8th, 2016.
     
  9. Timby

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    Fox, for example, has announced its first wave of 4K UltraHD releases:

    Exodus: Gods and Kings
    Kingsman: The Secret Service
    Fantastic Four
    X-Men: Days of Future Past
    Life of Pi
    The Maze Runner
    Wild

    All of which are being sourced from 2K digital intermediates.

    That should tell you how seriously studios are taking UHD.
     
  10. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I wasn't aware there was a version of Blu-Ray that supported actual 4K.
     
  11. BillJ

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    I don't see Paramount striking 4K prints for any of their catalog movies until there's a proven market for them.
     
  13. Timby

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    A lot of studios have done them already. Fox, for example, has a 4K master of The Abyss sitting in its vault and has had it there since 2009. Pretty much all of Fox's 65/70mm films are ready to go in 4K, as well. Fox has gotten extremely stingy with its physical media releases, however, to the point that it's effectively ended Blu-ray releases of its television shows outside of the biggest performers.

    I'd expect Sony's first UHD releases to be better, given that their first round of digital downloads included Lawrence of Arabia and It Happened One Night.

    Paramount, though, has never seen Star Trek has a huge money-maker outside of its new emphasis on the JJTrek films, and so yeah, I doubt we're going to see any real effort to remaster a bunch of films that will probably never make a ton of money. It would be nice, because the existing Blu-rays of the original six films are downright hideous, but I'm still not holding my breath.

    But this whole thing is putting the cart before the horse, considering almost no one is actually broadcasting or streaming in full 1080p even now in 2015. You can't find "full HD" on television right now, and yet the studios are hoping that this will be the nut that cracks the shrinking physical media egg.
     
  14. jefferiestubes8

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    Timby over-the-top (OTT) providers Netflix is streaming in 4k and Amazon is gearing up to stream its original series in 4k movies cannot be far behind on those services.
    Samsung just this week released the 2 JJTrek films in 4k UHD.

    and almost a year ago TrekXI (2009) was available.
    DirecTV Launches 4K UltraHD Video-on-Demand for Samsung 4k TVs.
    November 14th 2014 Source 2nd source DirectTV
    and just this week LG Smart TV Upgrade Enables Ultra HD Streams.

    also these other major providers now are getting ready for a launch which means 2016 major marketing push
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  15. BillJ

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    Doesn't make much sense, since we still don't even have anyone broadcasting in Full HD (1080p) yet.
     
  16. Lance

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    The thing about Blu Ray is that we're now in a position, nearly a decade on from its launch, where it has clearly failed to supplant DVD in ''the mainstream''; and where both DVD *and* Blu Ray are now being overtaken by streaming. I am a recent convert to Blu Ray and would never go back to SD, but I'm just not sure how many more of the consumer base are with me. My feeling is that the people who use Blu Ray are very passionate about it, as indeed I am, but that we're very much looked at as a niche market. And that is only going to become more obvious in the coming years.

    I hope I'm proved wrong. There's nothing I'd love more than to see Blu Ray surge ahead and become a strong alternative to streaming. But I'm skeptical.
     
  17. BillJ

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    Laser disc of the 21st century!
     
  18. Timby

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    Not quite as bad, but studios very badly over-estimated how many people would want to transfer their collections to yet another physical format after having spent the last decade-plus moving from VHS to DVD. Add in that upscaling DVD players gave an image that was "good enough" to a lot of people and you have the definition of a collector's market.

    Of course, it would help if some studios actually gave a shit about restoring their films for Blu-ray. Fox using 2K DIs for their UHD releases is just the laziest shit.
     
  19. Lance

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    The comparison with Laserdiscs is apt. :D Yeah, I'm dubious about 4K as well, because it's clear that Blu Ray itself has struggled to get a foot-hold in the market, so I just can't see consumers jumping wholeheartedly on board with yet another physical media upgrade, especially when the studios themselves are pushing digital as the prefered option, because it's better for their bottom line to not have to deal with disc production and distribution costs. So the deck is stacked against physical media at the moment. Like I said, I'd love to be proven wrong..... but I doubt I will be. :( ;)
     
  20. Doug Otte

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    I agree with the above posts. I've been a big fan of blu-ray for years, and I used to constantly extol its virtues whenever someone asked. However, very few people I know bother to buy blu-rays. Even people who have decent displays and blu-ray players still buy DVDs (when they buy a physical medium at all).

    We'll see some blockbuster recent releases floated on 4K discs, but it'll never really take off.

    I don't think we'll ever see 4K discs of deep catalog titles like ST; I also doubt we'll see a new blu-ray set next year, unless it's just a repackaging. I'd be glad to have to eat my keyboard, though!
     
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