Who was the earliest graduate of Starfleet Academy?

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  1. Melakon

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    Are there any clues?

    And none of that "the class of 2165" stuff either. ;)

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    Patricia O'Malley graduated Starfleet Academy in 2149. There are no other mentions of the academy in Enterprise, just a few references to "flight school" from Archer.

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  3. Melakon

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    My undying gratitude. :D

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  5. Melakon

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    :lol:That I can't help you with.
     
  7. Ronald Held

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    Did you mean the Terran or Federation Starfleet academy?
     
  8. Melakon

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    I was going by Memory Alpha's article for Starfleet Academy, which says it was founded in 2161.
     
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    For the Federation Starfleet, but the initially humans-only Earth Starfleet had an officer corps too.
     
  10. The Wormhole

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    Pre-Federation Starfleet had no Academy, just a training program called STC. The Academy diploma seen Storm Front has been confirmed to be a mistake.
     
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    What is the reference for this?
     
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    Once it's on screen, it's canon.
     
  13. C.E. Evans

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    It really hasn't been confirmed to be a mistake, just an opinion that it is. While Archer made a reference to "Starfleet Training," and Tucker to always being in trouble at something called "S.T.C.," it really doesn't rule out that the Earth Starfleet had its own pre-Federation Academy as indicated in "Storm Front."
     
  14. The Wormhole

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    I remember someone from behind the scenes admitting as much shortly after the episode aired.
     
  15. Melakon

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    It's odd that Memory Alpha makes no mention of an institution referred to as "Starfleet Academy" prior to 2161 at all, even in the O'Malley article which has a picture clearly showing the diploma.

    Maybe it's a side effect of the Temporal Cold War.
     
  16. C.E. Evans

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    It's in their "Starfleet Academy (Earth)" article as having existed as early as the 2140s for the Earth Starfleet.
    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_Academy_(Earth)
     
  17. The Wormhole

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    And in that article:

     
  18. C.E. Evans

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    Which is their opinion. Memory Alpha frequently does offer their opinion and conjecture on topics (especially those with no clear consensus) in separate boxes in their articles. But that very same particular article still lists an Earth Starfleet Academy existing prior to the Federation, which would support what was shown in "Storm Front." I don't see a reason to dismiss it because it wasn't what the show's original creators might have intended.
     
  19. Melakon

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    Well it does explain how I missed the article. I was typing 'starf', the autofind listed only the main Academy article, and never the '(Earth)' one.

    But is it only a visual reference due to the diploma? Or is it supported with dialogue anywhere?
     
  20. C.E. Evans

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    It falls into the category of many things such as the names of various starship classes, hull registries, etc.