Who should have been killed in Nemesis? (Not Stuart Baird please)

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by los2188, Oct 12, 2012.

  1. Timo

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    Our heroes should remember that in "Datalore", they dumped a Soong android in space, but in "Brothers" he came back to bite them anyway. How could the heroes know that Data was destroyed in the explosion? Indeed, how could the audience?

    To rationalize the transporter thing somewhat, what goes down in the puff of smoke is probably the targeting system vital for transporting. Let's say it's all the more vital for transporting through the interference of the Bassen Rift. No lesser system, such as that of the shuttlecraft, can work in the Rift (we know from "Best of Both Worlds" and "Future's End" that shuttle transporters are grossly inferior to starship ones). So a signal enhancer is needed to sort it all out, and the button is a modern, miniature enhancer.

    That Data doesn't use the enhancer to beam back with Picard in the end is easily explained: he needs to finish the job, and expects to survive, thanks to being an android (up yours, thalaron dust!). That Data doesn't use the enhancer to beam back with Picard from Shinzon's lab earlier on... Cannot be explained.

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  2. Vasquez Rocks

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    Data says earlier in the movie that the transporter device is a prototype and only has enough power to transport one. As for the shuttlecraft transporters, the shuttlecrafts on the Scimitar were destroyed and damaged from the crashing of the two ships. Perhaps the same thing happened to the Enterprise's shuttlecrafts. Geordi does say that transporters are down. Probably meaning all transporters.

    And the idea of of Data overloading his phaser or putting it on a timer wouldn't have really worked. The thaloran radiation was about to be fired at the Enterprise and there would have been no time for him to get back to the hatch he came in from. It was down to something like thirty seconds. Another one of those pesky countdown clocks which always seems to get in the way. ;)
     
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  3. MacLeod

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    Nemesis has plenty of flaws, I seem to recall shuttles having independant transporter systems to name but one.

    But back to the question at hand, I wouldn't say anybody had to die. The question to ask does the death serve the story? In terms of Nemesis I don't think it did.
     
  4. DarKush

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    I really like how you've laid this out. It makes a lot of sense and would've made for a much better film. I like the description of Shinzon as Mordred quite a bit. And the way he did die could be seen as Arthurian in retrospect.
     
  5. JRoss

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    John Logan.
     
  6. teacake

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    Riker.

    LET'S KILL RIKER.
     
  7. T'Girl

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    I wonder how that would have worked out. In the timeline of the movie (as I understand it) Riker had already been offered and had accepted the command of the Titan before the beginning of the movie. Picard mentioned this in his wedding toast.

    So, if subsequent to Picard death Starfleet had gone to Riker and gave him the option of the (presumably) more prestigious command of the Enterprise E, what would Riker do? Enterprise or Titan?

    :)
     
  8. billcosby

    billcosby Commodore Commodore

    Worf, Worf, Worf, a million times WORFS. That would have made him so happy! :klingon:
     
  9. R. Star

    R. Star Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Yeah. The let's off that jerk.

    One of my favorite moments in TNG for some odd reason is when Jellico fires Riker, cut to next scene with Data in red. :p
     
  10. Sindatur

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    I was always disappointed and wondered why when Picard Ordered "Fire at Will", no one ever did (Except in Star Wreck'd)
     
  11. teacake

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    :guffaw:
     
  12. Sindatur

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    You'll never be able to watch an episode of TNG again, without thinking about it now
     
  13. teacake

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    It will vastly improve that series for me.
     
  14. R. Star

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    This should make you smile then.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhsPHV-40Nw
     
  15. Sindatur

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    LOL, Yea, that's pretty much how it went in Star Wreck'd, but, I believe it was Data and I don't believe there was a Face Palm, that was a nice touch :guffaw:
     
  16. UssGlenn

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    Should have killed off Troi. It would fit nicely with the possible future seen in AGT.
     
  17. CobraCommander

    CobraCommander Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Picard. Data downloading his memories to B-4 was the equivalent of backing up a hard drive. Not a very sensient thing to do. Androids do not have souls (unlike Vulcans and their katras) so the memories are just files without the positronic net. After all he had fought for to be accepted as a sentient lifeform (TNG: The Measure of a Man) it was cheap to have Data extinguihed. B-4 was a cheap ret-con plot device. Now if Shinzon had reassembled Lore and teamed up with him, that would have made more sense. It still wouldn't have helped the film much though with all of its issues.
     
  18. Peach Wookiee

    Peach Wookiee Cuddly Mod of Doom Moderator

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    I keep thinking of TaleSpin, myself.
    "Fire at will!" *guy goes running as the other air pirates shoot at him* "Do not fire at Will; he is my second mate. FIRE AT THE SEADUCK!"
     
  19. Joker

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    All of them should have died.

    The Enterprise should have hit an asteroid while Troi was driving at warp 9.
     
  20. Caligula

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    The entire movie should have been killed off before it was even greenlit.