Who likes Spock/Uhura too?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Spock/Uhura Fan, Sep 7, 2012.

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How do you feel about the Spock/Uhura pairing?

Poll closed Mar 6, 2013.
  1. I LOVE them together! :)

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  2. I generally think they’re okay together.

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  3. Not my preference, but I don’t mind them together.

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  4. I HATE them together. :o

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  1. indranee

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    Okay I'm reading this thread and what you all are writing.... will think about it while I watch it again this weekend... we shall see if it tempers my growing reservations for S/U.
     
  2. Malaika

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    this takes inspiration from an old meme
    it's basically the movie :guffaw:


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  3. Spock/Uhura Fan

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    Yeah, they were great. It would have been a nice film without them, but for it it was a great film with them together. It really was a wonderful step taken by TPTB. They laid a foundation for these 2 characters that the writers for the TOS show could not because of the times. That was truly in line with “boldly going,” and it was done so well.

    Yeah, I saw ST09 in theaters twice, and the theater was nearly packed both times. I got the DVD as soon as it came out. That wasn’t and won’t be the case this time around, unfortunately.

    Well, one thing I’ve noticed is how much Zach and Zoe never have even one photo op together. It’s like it’s on purpose. The main couple right now is Zach and Chris. They’ve got a lot of photos and interviews together. I haven’t seen one of Zach/Zoe, and neither one of them seems interested in this part of playing their roles. I think Zoe did an interview a little while before STID came out that had an S/U group I belonged to scratching their heads and wondering if they should even see the film.

    Back in November, I think it was, Zach did an interview that sounded like he was tired of playing the role. Bill Maher tried to give him some good advice, though. Still, if he’s ready to move on after #3, that will be his right. I just think they both kind of gave lackluster performances this time around. Zoe wasn’t that bad, but Zach kind of seemed like he was phoning it in. That’s too bad, really.

    Well, the last movie had just about all of their intimate moments behind closed doors, and I think that’s fitting. I just think it would have been nice to see them in more of a private way, even if it were just a private conversation that ended in a kiss.

    I’ve been told that there are a lot of little moments of affection between them that are subtle in the film, and these are noticed upon multiple viewings. I think that’s nice and that it fits Uhura’s more expressive human nature, as well as Spock’s willingness to be more visibly open with his feelings for her sake.

    My thing is that it didn’t seem like TPTB really built on their relationship. The *drama* between the 2 didn’t make sense and seemed convoluted and soapy. It doesn’t need to be that way, and these 2 characters are not like that to begin with. That’s why I like them so much.

    Yup. They did it to make the “triumvirate” fans happy, I think. K/S fans had to have been happy too.

    I’ll maintain that that worked for the plot, but I don’t think of Uhura as someone that brings up personal issues while on a fast and dangerous mission. I also don’t see why she had the issue with Spock that she did. If they spend any time alone together as a couple, then this should have been resolved there. She should already know that he feels, as should Kirk because he melded with Spock Prime in the last film and was assured of New Spock being “emotionally compromised.” It just didn’t make sense.

    I could understand if she could tell through bonding with Spock that he was still having issues, that he had developed a hero complex because of what happened in the last movie, and if she prodded him to get help as the “logical” thing to do. That’s a mature response to the issue. Whining like a soap opera queen, “You don’t care about me Spock,” is not. It kind of felt condescending, like that’s what they thought “women” would want to see. I could go on, but I won’t.


    Well, his emotions were more clearly near the surface in ST09, and for good reason. Still, in this film, he could be stoic on duty and around people, but more outwardly emotional for Uhura when they are alone. I’d imagine that would take some effort on his part because it goes against his nature, but I could see him wanting to do that for her as well as a way to explore emotional expression in a healthy way.

    I don’t know about the reviews you read, or where they were, but if they were singling Uhura out, then that’s not right.

    One thing that bothered me was how little time they got, even for the one or two things that were shown, like that hallway scene where they peck each other on the lips. They didn’t even bother to take 20 seconds to show where at least one of them was coming from. You don’t know where they are going. If they both came back together, then why are they walking in separate directions going wherever? Their “resolution” was overly simplified there, imo. The scene is just dropped in there to cover a 5-10 second look/kiss that supposedly takes care of everything. I guess they needed the extra time for more actions scenes. Stuff crashing against stuff banging against stuff dropping on stuff is more important.


    Well, they didn’t get mine either, but that’s beside the point. I don’t think it’s so much about “getting a memo” as it is about building on the great relationship that explores these 2 characters and their love for one another, against any odds, that was established in the first film. I was hoping for, even expecting, that. That’s not what I got. .


    Nothing’s wrong with having feelings. I’m glad that Uhura got to go on an away mission too, I just wish she had actually done something really useful is all. If they want to show Kirk with 2 cat girls, then that is fine with me. The movie was only about 2 hours long. They could have just added 2-5 extra minutes to cover S/U. I don’t think you have to take from another character to have something meaningful there for other characters, but I do think having something meaningful for each character requires a thoughtfulness that I’m not sure was demonstrated in this film. I truly appreciate the writer’s efforts, as well as everyone else involved. There are definitely people who got what they wanted out of this film, and for them I’m glad. Hopefully I get what I’m interested in with the next film?

    I think their affection should be at a minimum while on missions. The work should come first, and not their personal feelings of affection for each other. They can express that when they are alone and during their off time (which should be covered in the film(s), imo). Unless it’s something really big, I don’t expect them to do any kissing at all in front of people. The transporter pad in the last film is an example of something big during a time when Spock was already very emotional under the surface, so it made sense for Uhura to supportively see him off and also express her hope for his safe return. The volcano thing was supposed to be an in-and-out mission with no hang ups, but of course that went awry…

    It was nice reading your thoughts on S/U. :)
     
  4. Spock/Uhura Fan

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    Okay, first of all, I'm loving that gif. :)

    Malaika, do you have a link to that interview. I haven't read this one. Still, I think that understanding each other better could be better worked on through bonding. I think they should be bonded by now, and that would allow them to forge that the kind of understanding/foundation that Zachary is talking about. I wonder when do we get to see that, if ever?
     
  5. Malaika

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    what you mean you never saw a recent photo of Zachary and Zoe?

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    and there is that absolutely hilarious interview done at The Jonathan Ross Show where they ponder about S/U having sex :guffaw:

    here's the links:
    http://io9.com/damon-lindelof-star-trek-is-hard-science-fiction-not-483030807
    http://www.flicksandbits.com/2013/05/03/zoe-saldana-interview-for-star-trek-into-darkness/46281/



    I dunno, that would be a tiny bit too convenient and too soon. If she can read his mind and feel his feelings all the time then where is the conflict (and the fun, say the writers :lol: ) ? It would be too easy for Spock, he'd have nothing to learn about himself and the relationship.
    If they're to be bonded they have to earn it first and deal with the possible, realistic, issues of an interspecies couple first. It has to be a plus not the magic that will resolve any possible issue without having to deal with them like any couple do.
    From the writers' POV they have to keep you in doubt about them till the end which means that you have to think that they might break up and you shouldn't take for granted (from their pov) that they get the happy end.
    It's like that for every fictional pair, I think.
    Honestly it's impossible for me to imagine them putting Spock in a romantic relationship and do nothing with it or keep it safe and peaceful all the time. It's Spock :lol:

    That said, they might have some form of bond. Not official or finalized like one done with the help of a vulcan healer but some connection is possible. In the comics she's able to find him and save him at one point even though the enterprise had been trying without success. And it's showed in a glimpse of their backstory from when they started dating that he mind-melded with her.
    It might even further explain Nyota's feelings in the movie and put a whole new perspective on him being closed off with her after the loss of vulcan. It's all speculations of course.

    Though, the reason why she's angry with him in the movie is more obvious when you read the comics.
    I don't know if in the movie his PTSD is obvious enough but in the comics it had been hinted over and over. After the loss of his mother and home planet he starts to act OOC and it's like he has a death wish. Uhura is the only one that notices it and she keeps trying to help him and make him understand but he's in denial about his grief.
    That's foreshadowing of the whole volcano accident and misunderstanding between them in the movie and why she thinks that he doesn't care about his life and he doesn't care about how she'd feel if he died*

    to summary it all with the key pages:

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    and then after she saves his ass (again) and he even understands how stupid his actions had been and apologizes to Kirk for his behavior:
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    and then you have the volcano accident and Uhura hears that he's willing to die there and then after they save him she hears that he's almost angry with Kirk because he saved his life. (a truly wtf moment :lol: Kirk's face is priceless)

    Try to make a vulcan admit that he has a problem with his feelings. Good luck. :lol:
    So of course she explodes in the shuttle (they might have died in the mission anyway so it was a "now before it's too late" situation too for her) and in that moment there is no escape for him he has to deal with that.
    The speech by him is the winner IMO
    (this is the version from the novelization)
    "To even consider the idea of one’s death affecting a loved one would be so painful that the only logical option in that moment would be to choose to feel nothing instead. This was recently confirmed for me as Admiral Pike was dying. As I tried to comfort him, I briefly joined with his consciousness. I experienced what he felt at the moment of his passing. There was a surprising dearth of pain. In its place there was anger. Confusion. Loneliness. Fear. Nyota, you misunderstand my choice not to feel at that moment as an indication of not caring, while I assure you the truth was exactly the opposite."

    IMO they nailed it.

    Honestly? Beyond the Spock/Uhura romance I think that Spock's arc is the most interesting and it's a bit of a problem for me that the movie decided to focus so much on Kirk instead. I loved the Kirk/Pike relationship and that Kirk had to earn the captain's chair, I really did. But at the same time I wished for more balance and I feel like they wasted opportunities with Spock.
    This essay sort of makes a similar observation:
    http://www.rogerebert.com/balder-an...spock-the-hero-of-the-new-star-trek-franchise
     
  6. Spock/Uhura Fan

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    No, I haven't. I guess I wasn't looking enough, but I am SO glad they have some pictures together. Thank you, Malaika. :)

    Yeah, I don't watch the Jonathan Ross Show. I don't even know what that's about, but I'll look for the interview. I'm guessing it was funny?

    Thank you. :) I've never been to flicks and bits.



    Oh, I disagree. I don't think Bonding is as easy as pie. They'd have to "mesh" together, and that would take some time and practice, I'd think. She'd have to get used to how communicating telepathically with him works, as well as emotional exchanges, and because he's the telepath out of the two, he'd have to get used to making the proper adjustments for both of them and respecting her boundaries.

    I don't see it as an easy walk in the park, but a winding road worth traveling. If you see it as easy, then I think you could be short-changing the bonding process, especially one between a human and a Vulcan.


    They have been together for at least a few years. I think they have earned it.

    And magic? I don't see it that way. I don't think that just because they are bonded that means that either one of them gets to snap their fingers and all of a sudden there are not issues. I DO think it means that they are more in tune with each other.


    And that's what I don't like. The "will they/won't they" drama. I think it's tired and that it mainly gets used as a way to not have to deal with the perhaps more difficult task of writing a loving, believable, couple that deals with their own issues and those that are thrown at them.

    It's not like that for every fictional pair, at least not the ones I really like.

    I can't imagine them doing nothing with them either, but you never know. I don't know about peace all of the time, but I do think the 2 of them should have a certain grace and understanding about their relationship. That just strikes me as the characters.

    I like your thoughts here. Interesting. I've had some similar thoughts myself.

    Oh, don't get me started. I think they COMPLETELY dropped the ball with his issues in this film, and how they both dealt with those issues. It was practically glazed over after what happened to him was such a huge part of the last film. :vulcan:


    Once again. They. Dropped. The. Ball. Most people do not read the comics. It's fine if the comics add to what happens in the films, but to expect people to get from the comics what they should be getting from the films is just bad. Bad, bad, bad.

    I still think there were some issues here, but I've already gone over them for the most part. I'll just reiterate that the shuttle scene worked for the action-action-action oriented plot of the film.

    I agree with the bolded very much. I also like Uhura and team focus as well. I think that's why I didn't care that much for this film. I don't feel like I got enough of any of those things. There were some things about this film I did like though, just not enough. Thanks for the link. I'll check it out later. :)
     
  7. seven14

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    YES, @Malaika, that one....I LOVE IT! I know it's only for a few seconds but imagine if you were me and S/U was your main reason for going to see this movie--regardless of the fact that I am a old time Star Trek lover---as I said in my 1st posting...LOL I am not ashamed at all to admit they brought me to the theatre over everyone else :) and then as you sat through the movie you seemed to have missed almost every instance of them showing togetherness and that they were still a loving couple. I was devastated after the first viewing...friends couldn't wait to hear me salivating about S/U as I did the 2009 movie and I just had nothing for them.

    I've really not read anyone else complain about 2D so how in the world could I be the only person who has been to the movies twice and still not been able to focus enough to see sweet scene and the hand-holding. I definitely saw when Uhura comforted Kirk but after not Uhura going to Spock and no hand-holding at all.

    I wish so much that I could see it once more but in IMAX but I think I better wait for the DVD so I can pause at will. :)

    I was never looking for a make-out session---but I was expecting some growth...and I am so happy now that the step back I feared wasn't exactly correct on my part. :techman:
     
  8. seven14

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    I don't know what is going on with my computer but I can't seem to quote so I have to for now post as best I can (Frustrating.)

    Thank you so much @Spock/Uhura Fan for your comprehensive responses to my posting!!! I LOVE IT!!!!:techman:

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfKswyqcwR8[/yt]

    I wonder if you've seen the interview with Zach and Zoe on the Jonathan Ross show...they were super cute here and very loving to their characters.:) and the pictures are great every time they were allowed to be next to one another you could feel the warmth of their friendship. I wish they had more interviews together but like I said, I was eating up the pics and didn't have a inkling about what I saw on screen. They each spoke about there was trouble ahead but that's pretty all I knew as far as strife. I think my issues really stem from not seeing what was on-screen and then thinking it (the relationship) was heading for cob-web corner - never to be mentioned again.
     
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    Oops, sorry Spock/Uhura Fan, I now see that you've already got a link from Malaika (I'm still reading the thread) this was a very nice and sweet interview.

    @Malaika...I need to get me these comics...goodness this would have explained soo much! I didn't even know comics existed...I did read that Alan Dean Foster has authored STID and I wanted to get that so I could understand more--book and now I see comics are always so much better.:)
     
  10. Spock/Uhura Fan

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    @seven14 Thanks for the wonderful video. I feel better about them now. I started to wonder why I haven't seen them do anything like that for America, but then I figure the Triumvirate Lobby blocked it. Thank God for the U.K.
     
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    You're very welcome Spock/Uhura Fan!!

    Zachary is very warm and he always seems to put both Chris and Zoe in a more fun and calm mood ( I think in real life they are all quite reserved but Zachary seems to have a more naturally relaxed attitude towards press then Chris & Zoe.)

    If I hadn't seen any of the photos of Zach/Zoe at the Berlin/London premieres and photo-calls and this JR interview in particular then I definitely would have come out of the movie more sadder than I actually did and I was very very low when I came out of STID the 1st time around. It's only actually after I came to this thread and was told that there are things I couldn't see in 2D that I began to feel better about my wonderful Spock and Uhura.

    Now Malaika has provided us with these comics, pictures, and that beautiful gif I really can't wait until the DVD comes out.

    I do still firmly feel though that Spock and Uhura have been together for long enough and have been in a sexual relationship that Spock as half Vulcan and more importantly raised and educated as VULCAN would know exactly why Uhura was so upset and he wouldn't have let it get to the point where she was reduced to not speaking to him. The look he gives her when she comes out of the turbo lift of pure confusion (to me) was just so wrong. It worked for me for the joke with Kirk but it was just wrong for Uhura and Spock.

    Once again this is why I think a domestic scene (they are the resident long-term couple after-all) with Spock & Uhura was what was needed in this movie. The scene - Uhura was pissed when they got back to her quarters---she didn't want to talk about it---Spock wanted her to be open about her feelings---concerned something was upsetting her (he knows but he is stubbornly thinking his actions were right) she relents and begins to speak---he interrupts---she blows up---he tells her she doesn't understand---then they leave it like that and hence we have the no speaking---then after the beautiful speech in the shuttle they are back on board---they get back to quarters to change ---she stops by his to tell him she understands and he asks if they can mind meld--something I think they have done a few times in the past...she agrees and he lets her see what he saw or lets her feel how he was feeling and they share that amazing kiss and they HUG---end scene.

    In movie terms this would not have taken that many minutes once a skilled writer wrote it up and a skilled editor edited it down to size LOL :) but it's not my movie and it's not my script so I have to get my kicks from my head-canon and from fan fiction :)
     
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    How are you feeling now about the S/U scenes now @Hembie? (I've bolded and underlined that sentence in your original post as this was exactly how I felt after my 1st viewing) have you had a chance to see the movie more than once or in 3D as you wished? Were you able to see the hand-holding in 3D because we don't have the movie in IMAX in my area and I wasnt able to see it in 3D as I planned earlier.
     
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    Hello @indranee have you had a chance to see the movie again as well? I saw a few posts where you've mentioned writing your review- will you post here? I can't wait to read it.
     
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    I'm feeling much better. There were a couple of scenes of handholding in the backround (as noted upthread) and longing looks. I also noticed more on the second viewing that Spock voice waivers noticibly in the shuttle scene. He actually sounds upset.

    It was all just odd editing. Like the relationship was all there in the movie but the director chose to use different angled shots. At the very least I'm convinced that TPTB are committed to continuing the relationship, but there is not question the focus was so much more intense in the first movie.

    All will be forgiven if they can show more love in the third. And who knows what we'll get in the deleted scenes.
     
  15. Spock/Uhura Fan

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    @seven14

    I feel better about the actors' motivation after watching that UK late show vid, but I still feel the same way about the movie. Even if there are a few hand touches or looks or whatever in this film, that doesn't change the fact that their relationship was still handled poorly. The writing didn't do it justice and neither did the filming/editing for the most part.

    For the loss of Vulcan, Spock's mother, and his story to be such a big part of the last film, it felt like they just glazed over it in this one. The obviously had other goals, though. It has to be hard to build on what you did in the last film when you are trying to borrow from The Dark Knight, provide nonstop action for the sake of action, and recreate TWOK.

    I truly hope they follow up on Spock/Uhura in the next film in a more believable and adult way. It would be great if they could make that film as though this one didn't really happen. Considering the fact that it should start off with their 5 year mission, I don't think that should be much of a problem.

    Yeah, more love and growth would be nice between the 2. They should be working on a loving harmony as a couple, imo.
     
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    @Hembie, I'm with you as well in that I too feel much after the 2nd viewing...although my uplift came from finding or re-finding this thread so I could blubber all my feelings out and then having @Malaika post and put me to rights about Spock and Uhura's physical interactions that I just did not see.

    I was thinking that I wasn't even going to buy the DVD, as I was so upset with JJ (direction of Zach) -I would eat up any behind the scene moments with all the cast, but I would have had a fit if there were deleted scenes of S/U being loving and warm with one another that some power that be thought should be better left on the cutting room floor.

    Once I knew the interactions were there it helped me appreciate them the 2nd time around---I didn't cross my eyes when I saw Spock run to Uhura and stand there like a stiff because I knew now they really are holding hands under the camera range or better seen, as you say, from a different angle.
     
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    @Spock/Uhura Fan I'm glad @Malaika was able to provide you some relief as well. We all love Zachary so much and to think maybe his and Zoe's friendship had possibly cooled or maybe they didn't want to further the character's romantic relationship would be devastating for me. I, of course, don't know if your feelings were that dramatic LOL...but I am very happy to hear in that respect you are feeling much better.

    Believe me, I am so right there with you as far as the relationship not being handled properly.

    There was a scene that had no drama for me (I've still not seen the Dark Knight so have to reach back to one of my favorites) and that was," will the shuttle craft make it or will it not through the narrow crevice..." well, it was very dramatic and great when I saw it the first time in The Matrix Revolutions (Niobe (Jada Pinkett Smith) and her ship squeezing through that crack and everyone breathing a huge sigh of relief after she made it - even herself a bit :)) There were a few instances of deja vu which I thought aw, not original. Perhaps that move was done in an even earlier movie I don't know but definitely it wasn't new in STID.

    Ok, regardless of all that, the speech in the shuttle was done very well and I was happy Spock said Nyota's name and had his head turned in her direction. I didn't appreciate this the 1st time around as I thought Spock's voice was too harsh knowing as I thought he should that Uhura was feeling very upset about them and his actions that she didn't agree with. Really, by this point in the movie, I was having all kinds of issues with Spock/Zach and direction but same as @Hembie this time around, I could actually hear the emotion and I got what he was saying to her and to Kirk.

    I would have like relationship in this 2nd movie and action, adventure, and fun (yes this is Star Trek) for the 3rd film and the 5yr mission....but since TPTB got it wrong this time around..then yes, 3rd film I will be expecting the mature, loving, interesting relationship I know Spock and Uhura have!!
     
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    I HATE the relationship!!

    First, in the federation it is against regulation to have a relationship with a person you supervise - EXACTLY the reason why Spock was sending Uhura to the Farragut. Then to have her blackmail her way onto the ship cheapens BOTH of them. And, had that actually happened, Spock would have immediately ended the relationship it would only be logical.

    Relationships are not prohibited on a Star ship - a Spock / Chapel relationship is OK as he is not her direct supervisor.

    And of course the line "have I not demonstrated exceptional oral sensitivity" sickens me. It turns Uhura into not much more than a prostitute who is sleeping her way to the top - instead of the reality that was presented in TOS that she was the best damn communications officer in the fleet. It so saddens me that Nichols worked so hard to portray Uhura as both an intelligent black woman - to have jj Abrams movies reverse all of that makes me very sad.
     
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    So if you speak Klingon AND you give good head the head cancels out the Klingon?

    This seems unfair.
     
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    I don't think its illegal in the entire federation to have a relationship with a supervised person.
    I'm not certain that Spock ever directly supervised Uhura, no more than he directly supervised Chapel.
    Anyway I can imagine doctor/nurses getting into relationships. This sort of thing happens.
    Troi and Riker were in some sort of relationship.

    I don't think she blackmailed - simply pointed out that she would have got the position based on merit and he had to agree.

    Yeh I hate the oral sensitivity and farm animals stuff too. But then again I'm old.

    I like that Spock/Uhura are having problems in STID - it would be terribly annoying if they were a power couple all sweetness and light. Then starting to dress alike.:rolleyes: