Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by NeroShrimp, Jul 14, 2014.
About Bond themes: One of my favorites is Sheryl Crow's theme to Tomorrow Never Dies - except for the opening line, which still creeps me WAY the hell out:
"Darling I'm killed...I'm in a puddle on the floor..."
What the FUCK?
Maybe they should have gone with Woody Allen.
If we're counting Bond parodies, it's worth noting that Moore first played Bond in 1964:
Have you not seen many Bond movies? His love interests get murdered all the time. Not defending that as an artistic choice, but in the 007 franchise context, your alarm is... strange.
I like that a lot more than what they settled on.
And the man who portrays this quite well is Craig.
For a good reason why Bond's like you said he is, read the short story Quantum of Solace, and then this synopsis/analysis of why Bond's like he is.
I know everyone loves Connery, and he originated and was very good in the role, but if you read Fleming's original novels, Daniel Craig is the closest to Fleming's conception of Bond, with Dalton a close second.
Of course there's a lot of death in the films, it's just kind of weird to hear it in a SONG lyric.
Reportedly the song is from the POV of Paris Carver. Even some of her dialogue is similar to Crow's lyric:
"It's murder on relationships"/"It's Murder on our love affair."
I actually prefer the more traditional song heard in the credits-K.D Lang's Surrender-which was also used as the basis for the movie's recurring action 'theme.'
Not really, death is hinted at in a few Bond songs.
"A View to a Kill"
Meeting you, with a view to a kill
"License to Kill"
Got a license to kill
It's the kiss of death fromMister Goldfinger.
"The Man With the Golden Gun"
One golden shot means another poor victim
^ I would guess that even in the Bond themes that do mention death, most are not in the first person POV of someone who has been killed. That might fit The Walking Dead better than 007.
I'm very much in that Moore-bashing camp, but that's an excellent way to put his run, and it's made me rethink my stance just a bit. He won't be #1 anytime soon on my personal list, but there's a bit of newfound appreciation for his run.
If my post has caused one person to give Moore the benefit of the doubt, I'm gratified.
Reportedly there was a lot of doubt regarding the life of the movie series after Connery left...conventional wisdom back in the day seemed to be that it would go the way of Connery and the 60s. The generally poor reception of Lazenby and OHMSS only supported that view. Moore's run not only kept the franchise going, but very successfully; it proved beyond a doubt that the series could be a success under different lead actors; it allowed for a new generation of Bond fans to come aboard during his run, including myself; and when he was ready to pass the torch, those of us who'd been wanting a different approach to the character got Dalton, Brosnan, and Craig. In the long run, Moore's stewardship did a lot of good for the franchise.
And FWIW, though Dalton is my traditional personal favorite Bond, and OHMSS is my personal favorite movie...taking a more objective view, I consider the "best" Bond film, as a whole package, to be The Spy Who Loved Me. YMMV.
That song also has some of the most blatantly sexual lyrics of any Bond song:
Love is required
Whenever he's hired
He comes just before the kill
I'm glad some of you guys voted for Timothy Dalton. He's an underrated Bond. He's my second favorite actor to play the part.
I totally understand that. I was just stating my own personal favorite and he is also the best in my eyes as well. That's why I made the polls. I just wanted to share that. I agree that I should have been more specific on the polls. However, I would say just ignore what I said and just focus on who the best James Bond is. Thank you for clarifying though.
Lazenby, hands down. With Craig as a close second.
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