Where did Spock go?

Discussion in 'Star Trek - Original Series' started by Warped9, May 16, 2010.

  1. Joker

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    Well, I'm not a 60's television show or a rock band, so... I'll live with that.

    Most people are as familiar with Star Trek as they are with Star Wars (Which I'm sure Warped9 will argue is somehow "different" despite being as memorable in the general populace as Star Trek, not to mention an influence in Abrams' version of Star Trek) and a variety of other television shows and movies, which is to say they know a few common details, phasers and lightsabers, Luke Skywalker and Captain Kirk... but that's about it.
     
  2. xortex

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    Most people also remember Beethoven for the first four notes of his fifth symphony and thats it.
     
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  3. Joker

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    Which means that most people don't remember Beethoven's fifth symphony.
     
  4. Brutal Strudel

    Brutal Strudel Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Anyone who posts regularly on this board and throws the "get a life" stone is living not in a house made of glass but rather of sugar.
     
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  5. Admiral Buzzkill

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    I don't understand why people have a problem with this.

    Keeping entertainment in perspective doesn't "demean" or belittle it. Frankly, asking something like Star Trek to bear the burden of too much importance has not often been good for the quality of the shows and movies.

    The people making TOS did the very best job they could, every week, and moved on to the next show. It's hard to imagine that any of them would have been comfortable with the notion of people treating it as a holy artifact fifty years later.

    I went to order new checks yesterday and discovered that one of my choices was "I Love Lucy" - you know, five different iconic images of Lucille Ball from memorable episodes. I didn't order those, but I smiled - that show, that character are as beloved and well known today as they ever were. I certainly hope that there are no Lucy message boards inhabited by people sniping over whether those who also enjoyed "The Lucy Show" are gullible simpletons who've had the wool pulled over their eyes, etc. etc...
     
  6. Brutal Strudel

    Brutal Strudel Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Takes two to tango, though--and a lot more more for a good old fashioned clusterfuck. If Warped9 is obsessive and pathetic for mooting the argument, those who feel the need to come back at him again and again and again and again are, at the very least, just as obsessive and pathetic. If any of us had any perspective we would not be here.

    Any discussion of fictive reality is ultimately just a game, anyway: a strong argument can be made that, meta-fictionally, all of Star Trek is either written by or based on ideas created by a black science fiction writer who suffered a psychotic break in the 1950s--after all, the tortured black genius Richard Daystrom "echoes" Benjamin Russell's "I created it!" (I develop this idea here) Likewise, Trek, in establishing an infinitely branching multiverse has given Trek '09 the ultimate "Get out of FAIL Free" card. (I develop this idea here) I find it infinitely more sad that so many people get so sanctimoniously upset when Warped9 and others try to play it. "It's just a movie" works both ways.
     
  7. Joker

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    Since I don't post regularly on the TOS board... happy days for me.
    Can't disagree.
     
  8. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Well...yes and no. You have a point, but - not surprisingly - I don't see it as quite so symmetrical.

    As you pointed out uptopic, anyone who spends a lot of time here is fairly invested in Star Trek. That said, for some there's almost always something going on with Trek that we like, a lot, and that presents a current reason for our interest.

    DS9 and Voyager largely bored me, but I liked Enterprise a lot and I like the current Abrams version a great deal. I like, but don't love, the Trek Remastered shows (and of course I have a rooting interest in fan art and film activities).

    IOW, since at least the turn of the century there's been some current reason for me to be interested in what's going on with Star Trek as an ongoing series of entertainments. So there's always something interesting to talk with other enthusiasts about.

    OTOH...the OP makes it clear repeatedly in a variety of ways that virtually nothing that's occurred with Trek in the last thirty years suits him very much. And yet here he is, almost every day, as well - essentially trying to win an argument with the rest of the world. And somehow, for some reason, at a Star Trek board(!) he finds himself surrounded by people who like Star Trek and like the very things he despises - ie, almost anything produced after 1980 (and how many people here weren't even born, then?) - and feel it's their right to say so right in front of him.

    He tries repeatedly to construct topics and direct conversation in such a way as to rule out or dismiss the other POV and it isn't working. Never has, never will.

    Beyond which, everyone who expresses a contrary opinion - even us obsessives - aren't doggedly committed to turning the conversation right back around to the most narrow, insulting terms possible. Two pages ago you made some nice moderate observations and in response I tried to turn the discussion toward a more generally pleasant (I hoped) recollection of remakes, good and bad sf movies in general. Yet somehow two pages later we're back to gnashing teeth because someone won't let go of the bone.

    One of these things is not quite like the other, and the problem with "all things being equal..." is that all things never are.
     
  9. Brutal Strudel

    Brutal Strudel Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    It was kinda civil a couple of pages ago. I miss that.

    We all have our own Star Trek universes, canon be damned--I have several (and being a fan of Philip K. Dick, this is easy for me): one in which TOS takes place near the turn of the twenty-second and twenty-third centuries and exists in a universe devoid of Ferengi, Borg, Hirogen and even my beloved Cardassians; another in which it takes place in the late twenty-third century and feeds into all of its sequel and prequel spin-offs, and yes, one where it is all written by (or at inspired by stories written by) Benny Russell. It's wave and particle and dessert topping and floor wax.

    Ultimately, though, if "And the Children Shall Lead" can exist in the same extended reality as "Amok Time," I suppose Trek '09 can exist there too. Probably best if I let that half-hearted olive branch be my final word on the subject.

    As usual, though, Dennis, you've given me something to think about.
     
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  10. T'Girl

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    When Vonda N. McIntyre penned the excellent novelization of The Wrath of Khan, she "fleshed it out" to the point that it was a semi-alternate universe. One of the ideas she inserted was that Human cadets enter the Starfleet Academy at age thirteen, at one point Carol Marcus said she was afraid Kirk would have came and collect David when he was thirteen.

    If the universe Spock originally came from had a similar policy, it might have been reasonable for Spock to expect a Kirk in the second half of his twenties to in fact to be in command of the Enterprise. Given a five year "head start" where Kirk was in his career in his early thirties in the TOS universe is where he was by his late twenties in old Spock's origin universe.

    :)
     
  11. Ronald Held

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    Vuclan live to be 240 years. Spock, being a hybrid and having had an unusual life could live that long.
    I believe STXI and its successors will not be matter much after many decades in the future, as the general public gets bored of it(or what ever the reason) and another approach/reboot is tried. TOS will still live on (along with the Prime Universe).
     
  12. Captain Robert April

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    If it's "just a tv show", then why are we here? That goes for BOTH sides of the discussion, but especially the detractors.
     
  13. Joker

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    To talk about the TV show.
     
  14. Captain Robert April

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    Are you? Or did you just get tired of hiding under that bridge?
     
  15. TOS Purist

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    :guffaw::techman:
     
  16. Dukhat

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    When you post stupid shit like this, it's very hard to take you seriously, if someone were even taking you seriously to begin with (except for, it seems, TOS Purist, but it's not like he isn't already biased in slavish favor of any response you make anyway).

    I have no personal issue with Warped9. He can believe what he wants. But when he makes his feelings known on a Star Trek BBS, then he's allowing anyone else to either agree with him or disagree with him, and post it to the public forum. Do I think he's a bit obsessive? Well, yeah, but it's not like I'm calling him an "obsessive jackass." And even though I don't agree with him, he's at least posting coherent reasons (to him, anyway), why he feels this way, and the people who disagree with him are posting coherent reasons why they feel that way.

    What exactly are you contributing, other than being your usual snarky, arrogant self and writing dumb responses like the above quotes and basically being a troll?
     
  17. Ronald Held

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    It is a TV show on this planet, but is is a reality in another universe.
     
  18. Admiral Buzzkill

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    The only known exception to this rule on the Internet is Languatron. :lol:

    Let's face it, there are more obsessive folks than Trek fans.
     
  19. King Daniel Beyond

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    No.

    No.

    No.

    For many-worlds theory to work, something has to be a possibility in the first place. Space warps, teleportation, artificial gravity, total ignorance of relativity...

    It's more likely that there's a universe where giant rabbits evolved to become the dominant species on Earth, and they settle stock market disputes with mortal combat.

    A world where we live in peace and explore space (albeit in a different manner) is a possibility, I guess. Just no bumpy-headed humans on every other planet.
     
  20. Warped9

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    That would be the TNG-DS9-VOY universe. :lol:
     

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