When did voyager go wrong?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by WesleysDisciple, Mar 27, 2013.

  1. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    The bun was not sexy. if they hadn't had the bun, twice the audience would have wanted to sleep with Janeway, ditto for Jennifers mushroom wig.
     
  2. Captain Kathryn

    Captain Kathryn Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2013
    Location:
    Captain Kathryn
    I liked the mushroom wig! :lol: No, I really didn't mind Kes's hair though. She looked fine with the longer hair too during her final couple of eppys. I'm not a big Kes fan though anyway, but not because of her looks.

    Meh...I don't have an issue with Janeway's bun. It was nice to see her let it down though. To be honest, as a woman, if I was doing a job that was extremely demanding physically or just doing anything besides sitting at my desk being a drone, I would have a bun too.

    Actually I am wearing my hair up in a bun right now. But mine sits right on top of my head in the center. :D

    Like most people though, I like her later-seasons look better though.
     
  3. R. Star

    R. Star Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2012
    Location:
    Shangri-La
    I never got why Janeway's varying hair styles were that big of a deal. I can't think of any woman I know that's worn her hair exactly the same for a period of seven years. Changing styles every six months or so isn't -that- indulgent.
     
  4. Dream

    Dream Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2001
    Location:
    Hotel Transylvania
    It wasn't that she kept changing it, it was that her first few hair styles looked awful!
     
  5. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    She had lots of buns and a couple bobs. As if all other (straight) men too didn't think that that really amounted to two hair cuts. A bun and a bob. It's not that I didn't like the bun, it's that when the bob showed up, I was floored by the beautiful woman they had been hiding. It also made her look 10 years younger than she did 4 years earlier. Ditto with Kes, after she got rid of the wig, near the end... "WHO IS THAT!!!??? OHMY! OH MY! WHO IS THAT?"
     
  6. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Voyager went wrong when they decided not to commit to their exciting premise.

    I was excited after Caretaker, but then they decided to throw away the survival aspect and the tension between the crew and make it TNG lite.
     
  7. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    I thought the bun was damn sexy the first time I watched Voyager. I haven't been able to figure out what I was thinking since then though :lol:

    Kes was awful in the mushroom wig and awful in the long hair which made her look like a cocker spaniel.
     
  8. Third Nacelle

    Third Nacelle Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2013
    Location:
    The Denorios Belt
    I thought the bun made her look older and stronger. You don't want a sexy captain. You want a tough old lady.

    After she got that bob, she looked like a suburban housewife. They should have styled it more, given it some kind of body... like FutureJaneway's hair.

    While we're on the subject: B'Elanna's hair wavy (like in Caretaker) was much better looking than when it was straightened out. And Chakotay is 1,000 times sexier with his hair brushed forward.
     
  9. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    I've never noticed Chak's hair!

    And now it is time to post this again, in case someone has not seen it:

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugakpz7hNAI[/yt]
     
  10. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    Neelix should have secretly been Caretaker all along.

    Or he should have been useful period.

    He found Leeola roots and explained why some of the natives were restless after they were already proved restless who Neelix should have known well enough to steer around in the first place.
     
  11. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    He was a better adviser than Troi. He had some actual facts.
     
  12. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    If Troi was a better telepath, even a better empath, she would have been able to kill opposing Captains through their ships shields, with her brain, which would have earned her that position in the jump seat.

    Failing at murder, she could as easily broadcast hysteria, depression or ecstasy to incapacitate entire crews in conflict with Enterprise.

    Although anyone who knew what she was, allies, local enemies, some one who read the newspaper, they should have demanded that Troi be removed from the bridge before they would begin any conversation with Picard.
     
  13. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2007
    Location:
    inside teacake
    That might not work so well as they wouldn't be able to tell if hidden Troi was watching the proceedings from her quarters and murmuring into Picard's earpiece.
     
  14. Anwar

    Anwar Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    Location:
    Regina, SK, Canada
    The original premise was just "Lost in Space", though.

    The survival stuff partially didn't make sense (Honestly, WHY can't they make new torpedoes?!) and the tensions between the crews was never going to last more than 2 seasons or so. Especially once DS9 killed off the rest of the Maquis.
     
  15. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    She needs an earwig?

    I repeat: What a shit telepath.

    Although anyone capable of inventing a mindprobe, or a mindsifter, could just as easily widget that technology into their ships shield configuration.
     
  16. Zungen

    Zungen Ensign Newbie

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2013
    Voyager went wrong when scene where Tuvok killed Neelix ended up being a hologram and not for real in episode Meld :P
     
  17. MacLeod

    MacLeod Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2001
    Location:
    Great Britain
    I remember when it went wrong now.

    "It was a Tuesday....." :p
     
  18. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    In the pilot, the entire crew was raped by Caretaker.

    Literally sexually raped to make babies.

    The problem is that no one got therapy after that, which is why they're all broken inside.
     
  19. stj

    stj Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2006
    Location:
    the real world
    ^^^Literally speaking, it was only Torres and Kim who were engaged in reproductive activities with the Caretaker.

    Functionally Torres was just a woman of color, so that was (sadly)appropriate to the character as treated in most drama today. But this may explain why Kim is so detested?:lol:
     
  20. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    We saw everyone in stirrups.

    The machinery of the array prepped everyone for a jolly good raping.

    Are you suggesting that Caretaker decided that after kicking the tires and checking their teeth, that he gauged that everyone but Kim and Torress was unrapable?

    Not a credential most of us want a lamented certificate for.

    Obviously he shagged all 142 of of them, and only twice sperm came out rather than a puff of dust.