What's with the Uniforms?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Bry_Sinclair, Apr 12, 2012.

  1. Ssosmcin

    Ssosmcin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Maybe if Uhura had a rank braid on her uniform, they wouldn't have called her "Cadet" and "lieutenant" in the same scene.

    Honestly, I didn't notice the non-braid. Zoe Saldana was just too damned hot for me to care.
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

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    This wasn't a mistake. Uhura was a cadet with the rank of lieutenant - just as Kirk was said to be in TOS (and was according to a barely visible screengraphic in STXI), and Saavik in Wrath of Khan.
     
  3. Patrickivan

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    Just as a side note for the military organization. From Yesterday is Tomorrow, thanks to chakoteya.net. Calling them a military organization alone wouldn't probably fit the views of society in that time period. Even solely saying Exploration wouldn't suffice. And just because ships are armed doesn't equal military as we know them today.

    CHRISTOPHER: Must have taken quite a lot to build a ship like this.
    KIRK: There are only twelve like it in the fleet.
    CHRISTOPHER: I see. Navy?
    KIRK:
    We're a combined service, Captain. Our authority is the United Earth Space Probe Agency.
    CHRISTOPHER: United Earth?
    KIRK: This is very difficult to explain. We're from your future. A time warp placed us here. It was an accident.
    CHRISTOPHER: You seem to have a lot of them. However, I can't deny the fact that you're here. With this ship.
     
  4. 137th Gebirg

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    ^^^ I had forgotten about that. I was always under the impression that UESPA eventually became Starfleet after a certain point (maybe the founding of the Federation?) and was never really explored in great detail beyond that reference (although I think Q gave mention to it in the TNG pilot). IIRC, Enterprise completely glossed over that particular reference in its entirety.
     
  5. ROBE

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    On the short sleeved uniforms, I believe the cancelled Star Trek Phase 2 was going to have them for both sexes as an alternative to the long sleeves. Technician "boiler suits" would have had no sleeves.
     
  6. C.E. Evans

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    Actually, they didn't--although you had to look really hard for it. During ENT's fourth season, various Starfleet banners on Earth sported both Starfleet and UESPA, suggesting possibly the two agencies were linked.
    http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/b/b0/Starfleet_UESPA.jpg
     
  7. The Wormhole

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    Good point. However, Kirk and Spock could also skirts. Skirts were worn by male officers while on duty in TNG. And I think Scotty wore a kilt with his dress uniform once on TOS.
     
  8. ROBE

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    The skant in TNG was just being PC.
     
  9. 137th Gebirg

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    Very cool! :techman: Nice link to the past there. I guess the did take a stab at maintaining continuity. That one is quite obscure.
     
  10. Bry_Sinclair

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    Maybe the male version could be a pair of short shorts :drool:
     
  11. Sindatur

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    Like spandex boxer briefs
     
  12. Bry_Sinclair

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    :bolian::bolian::bolian:

    Sounds like a plan.
     
  13. section9

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    In 1964, Roddenberry had conceived of Starfleet as "The Pacific Fleet in Space". He was a WWII vet, if you'll recall, and had adopted the peace activist jingo only later in the Sixties.
     
  14. Squiggy

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    You do know it's a movie about people doing things in the future in space often times a many times fast than the speed of light because an alien (who looks a lot like a human even though they evolved on different planets on opposite sides of the galaxy) shot a laser beam at them...right?
     
  15. UFO

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    That's the most circuitous version of the "It's only a movie." excuse I've seen. :lol:
     
  16. teacake

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    A letter writing campaign must begin immediately!!
     
  17. Sindatur

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    <scribble, scribble> Stuffs envelope, licks flap, puts on stamp and drops in the mailbox :D
     
  18. Bry_Sinclair

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    :lol::lol::lol:

    I'd go and watch that film!
     
  19. Draculasaurus

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    Have you seen the way Riker sits?
    You probably have to pass some kind of licensing exam to get issued a skant.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Cicero

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    There seems to be more complication than that. Chief Garrison wore a stripe with holes cut out of it (and a solid stripe on his field jacket); several apparent enlisted crewmen wore wide blue stripes on their field jackets; and Yeoman Colt wore nothing on either her jacket or her shirtsleeve.

    Reference sources, such as Star Trek.com refer to Colt as an officer. Perhaps she was an Ensign or Lieutenant J.G.? (Memory Alpha lists her rank as Lieutenant, which is also her usual rank in Pike-era books and comics.)

    I read somewhere (Memory Alpha?) that the original idea for officer ranks was along the lines of Napoleonic-era rank schemes, in which all mid-level and senior officers except the captain were lieutenants by grade, with authority varying by position.