What's Bones Talking About? (Possible Spoiler)

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  1. Praetor

    Praetor Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I apologize if this has been discussed and I missed it, but this struck me in rewatching this today.

    What's wrong with Kirk?

    When McCoy is reprimanding Kirk for missing his exam, he makes it seem more than routine. "You are not okay." Then, when Kirk is revived at the end, the two have the little "Then that means..." exchange.

    So, what's wrong with Kirk?
     
  2. Gsam

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    I'm only guessing here but I believe Bones is referring to the shock Jim endured with the loss of Pike. I don't think many of them besides Bones realized how close Jim and Pike were. Jim has in essence lost his "father" and that makes one not okay.

    Any insight others have to offer would be great because now that this is out there I too am wondering if there was a hidden meaning other than the one I have thought of.
     
  3. Gsam

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    i'm not placing the ending dialogue you are referring to "then that means.." exchange. Could you please refresh my memory.
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

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    I took it as a bit of a "don't worry folks, as you can see Jim's out of his mind with grief right now and wouldn't agree to such a mission if he were in his right mind!"
     
  5. Bry_Sinclair

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    Orion syphilis. He's been suffering with it since the Academy.
     
  6. Scruggernaut

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    Yeah, he's not okay cause he was just in a firefight and lost Pike. He's emotionally compromised.
     
  7. Photoman15

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    I took it to mean that he thinks/believes that Khan's blood is running thru him. Then McCoy says he made a serum from the blood, meaning it wasn't a direct transfusion.
     
  8. Praetor

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    But how does any of that explain the "You're not well" bit when they're boarding the shuttle?

    Friends, there's more at work here. I'll try to find and transcribe the revelant quotes later, as the internet is not assisting me at the moment.
     
  9. starburst

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    I took that to simply mean that Bones was worried about Kirk as he had just been in a firefight, one which he saw his mentor and many others die...

    If there was any more to it I look forward to learning about it in a couple of weeks when my DVD arrives.
     
  10. Trevacious

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    I presume there's no Counselor Troi sort aboard, so keeping tabs on the Captain's psychological health is McCoy's side-job.
     
  11. Praetor

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    Eh, you may be right. I still haven't had a chance to find the exact lines used in the scenes.
     
  12. Enterprise is Great

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    Man, I gotta rewatch this thing. I don't even recall the line. September 10th hurry up!
     
  13. CaptainDave1701

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    I do and I kept waiting for a resolution to this to come into play in the film but it did not. It really got my attention that hard and I kept waiting for it to develop as part of the film plot but it did not. :confused:
     
  14. Praetor

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    I'm relieved to hear there's at least one other person who heard it the way I did.
     
  15. talfe'anhar

    talfe'anhar Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I can't figure out what you all are talking about. What line? And I don't recall anything like that in the scene where he wakes up. Are we watching the same movie? I do remember all the references to his levels being off, and he needs to calm down, etc.
     
  16. SalvorHardin

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    The exchange goes exactly like this:

    B:Jim! Where were you?

    K:For what?

    B:Your medical exam. Ten hours ago, you were in a damn firefight.
    Now it's my duty as ship's...

    K: I'm fine, Bones.

    B:The hell you are.

    K:I'm fine.
     
  17. Praetor

    Praetor Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Thank you.

    Bones may well have meant due to everything that was going on, but to me the way the scene played had more subtle meaning.
     
  18. SalvorHardin

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    And at the end:

    B: Oh, don't be so melodramatic. You were barely dead.
    It was the transfusion that really took its toll.
    You were out cold for two weeks.

    K:Transfusion?

    B:Your cells were heavily irradiated. We had no choice.

    K:Khan?

    B:Once we caught him, I synthesized a serum from his superblood.
    Tell me, are you feeling, uh, homicidal? Power mad? Despotic?

    K:No more than usual. How'd you catch him?

    B: I didn't.
     
  19. Praetor

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    Double thanks. That one wasn't as bookendish as I remembered it being.
     
  20. talfe'anhar

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    Oh, OK, thanks. That's what I heard in both of those scenes. There does seem to be a lot of reference to Jim's health not being what it should be, especially for such a young man. I read somewhere that he's supposed to be 26 when STID takes place. That's pretty young to have all his vitals be way off, as Bones says just before he starts arguing with Scotty about the torpedoes.