What REALLY happened to Dr. Daystrom after 'The Ulitimate Computer?

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  1. Marsden

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    Yes, and perhaps it never had so much power at it's disposal in previous testing. Maybe it's "brain" was too overloaded and then the defect set in, it may have continued for years at that lower power and been fine with no noticable problems, but when that extra power got into it's system it was like a drug and couldn't get enough and wanted more.
     
  2. Shaka Zulu

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    Reminds me of why the Turing Agency was created in the Sprawl Trilogy by William Gibson, and with the need to regulate them (with the option to erase them with an EMP if they get out of hand.) Starfleet, the United Earth Republic, the Federation and its other member races my want to do something similar if AI research continues and AI's become commonplace.
     
  3. Ronald Held

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    Perhaps Daystrom was rehabilitated but never reclaimed the success he had with duotronics. Multironics obvious never made it further in Starfleet.
     
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    In "Whom Gods Destroy," Kirk implies that the inhabitants of Elba Two are the only remaining cases of mental illness in the galaxy, and Spock says, "A total of fifteen incurably insane out of billions..." That would seem to imply that Dr. Daystrom was rehabilitated. He certainly wasn't at the Elba Two facility.
     
  5. BillJ

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    One of those things I tend to ignore because it doesn't make much sense.
     
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    I'll have to check out this trilogy. However, Spartacus, the AI in THE TWO FACES OF TOMORROW is not conveniently in one place. Its drones learn to protect themselves from various kinds of weapons with armor plating and other defenses. Spartacus even manages to outwit a thermo-nuclear bomb rigged to destroy the entire space station as a last resort. The real bonus of the story is that it is not the cliche tale of an "evil" machine that decides humanity must be destroyed, a la THE TERMINATOR.

    As for Daystrom, he created a subspace greeting card company with the pitch "Send an n-gram today," and the tagline, "Thinking of you!"
     
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    I agree. Although given that 'mental illness' is a social construct, it's not inconceivable that the definition would change significantly over time, especially given how many different cultures existed in the Trek universe. Perhaps they just had a narrow definition of it then.
     
  8. ZapBrannigan

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    I hardly think mental illness is just a social construct. That smacks of ideological silliness.

    But anyway, Spock says "A total of fifteen incurably insane out of billions is not what I would call an excessive figure." [Emphasis added.]
     
  9. Shaka Zulu

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    Same thing with Neuromancer, the first novel in the Sprawl Trilogy-Wintermute (the AI that figures in the story) doesn't really want to take over the planet, IIRC.
     
  10. Greg Cox

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    Maybe Daystrom ended up at the same clinic Lenore Karidian got shipped off to.
     
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    Whom Gods Destroy is a fun outing as long as you don't think too much about the whole "cure for insanity" bit. I just don't see there being one cure that works for the at least four different species (Human, Andorian, Tellarite and Orion) that we see in the episode.
     
  12. Timo

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    There's no implication that they would all be receiving the same cure, though. They just happen to be in the same facility.

    And as for them being the only incurably insane individuals in the universe... I'd rather argue that they are the only criminals the UFP both

    1) caught and
    2) subjected to the usual routines of helping the criminally ill (that is, all criminals),

    and unlike the billions of other criminals throughout the history of the criminal curing system (out of the trillions upon trillions of individuals forming the UFP, most of whom are not criminally insane), they currently represent the lot that has immunity to this usual cure.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    Sounds like a "one size fits all" kind of cure.
     
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    Ah, right. The cure was only shown to be working on (and tried on) Garth, though.

    Is Garth human? (And is Marta really Orion, or just crazy? Her paint rubs off on Kirk, after all...)

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    The man had a stellar career before M5 freaked out, so I can see him getting some slack and the blame beign shifted around to cover a lot of asses. He takes a 'retirement' and all is well and reps are intact.

    Or you claim that Klingons/Romulans hacked the computer and only the bravery of the Enterprise crew managed to uncover and neutralize the sabouter before more deaths were caused.
     
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    That's it, shift the blame to the poor Starfleet Information Technology Security team. Poor bastards. :lol:
     
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    That's what they get for installing Windows 8 on M-5.
     
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    After the Federation funny farm Daystrom did some consulting work on a new concept project... LCARS! :bolian:
     
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    If not for the courage of the fearless crew, the Enterprise would be lost, the Enterprise would be lost.
     
  20. CrazyMatt

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    Didn't he work on perfecting the M-6, the first multi-dianetic device?
     

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