What if Star Trek had been a Big Budget studio movie in the 60s?

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  1. Biggshow

    Biggshow Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Hey, kids,

    I'm sorry if this has been done to death but it's new to me.

    What if Roddenberry had been able to convince Paramount to make a big screen, multi-million dollar space opera but only if he could get big name stars for the roles? Here's what I've got so far:

    Kirk--John Wayne
    Spock--Gregory Peck
    McCoy--Jimmy Stewart
    Scotty--Richard Attenborough
    Sulu--Toshiro Mifune
    Uhura--Lena Horne
    Rand--Shirley Jones (You think I'm kidding? See "Elmer Gantry". Woof.)
    Chekov--??? I'm stuck. Davy Jones? I kid.
    Chapel-- Deborah Kerr

    If this is way too lame or done to death, close it. Otherwise, whatch'all think?
     
  2. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    Paramount? Are you saying this would've been after TOS had ended? Because ST was originally a Desilu production, with Paramount acquiring Desilu in February 1967, during the production of ST's second season. And of course the characters you mention, aside from Spock, weren't even created until after Desilu had begun making the show. So the answer would differ depending on whether you're talking about this happening after TOS or instead of TOS. In the latter case, it wouldn't be Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc., but April/Pike, Number One, Boyce, Spock, Tyler, etc.

    After all, they did get a big-name star to appear in their first pilot. Jeffrey Hunter was a well-known movie actor, and in fact the reason he didn't stay on after the pilot was that he didn't want to give up his movie career for TV.

    I really don't think John Wayne is the right type for Kirk. Maybe he fits the "cowboy" stereotype of Kirk that evolved in the movie era and later, but the Kirk conceived by Roddenberry was a serious, disciplined soldier, as well as a sensitive, introspective man who was fairly open with his emotions. Besides, John Wayne was around 60 at the time we're talking about. I'd suggest maybe Paul Newman.

    For Spock, I'd say Michael Rennie. He was actually considered for the role.
     
  3. number6

    number6 Vice Admiral

    That's not the reason.

    Hunter's wife saw the pilot and decided that sci-fi was beneath him.
     
  4. Maurice

    Maurice Vice Admiral Admiral

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    According to Herb Solow:

    HERB: We had an option on Jeff Hunter for a series, but not for another pilot... the lights came up, Jeff Hunter's wife [actress Sandy Bartlett] gave us our answer: "This is not the kind of show Jeff wants to do, and besides, it wouldn't be good for his career. Jeff Hunter is a movie star."

    [RIGHT]--Inside Star Trek (hardcover), p. 63[/RIGHT]

    I don't think that exactly says "sci-fi was beneath him". It's possible Hunter did the pilot because it was a paycheck and he never expected it to go to series.

    Elsewhere in the book, and I'm having trouble finding it, I think there's reference to trying to get Hunter to come back and at least shoot some addition footage so that The Cage could be released theatrically, perhaps overseas...but I'm having no long finding that passage, so don't hold me to that one.
     
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  5. alpha_leonis

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    I was under the impression that Hunter had died by then. Hence, the reason they brought in another actor and hid his face under radiation-burn makeup -- to hide the fact that it wasn't Hunter in the role.

    I know he died not long after The Cage due to an on-set accident at another project -- I'm just not sure how soon.
     
  6. Biggshow

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    Technically, you are correct, sir. I only picked Paramount because of it's current history with the franchise. I might just as well have said MGM as that is where they shot some of "The Cage" or am I misremebering that as well? Should I mention that I have a cold and have taken a lot of cold remedy?:) Probably explains this thread in the first place.

    Yeah, John Wayne was kind of in there as a place holder. I like the Paul Newman. I'll stick with Gregory Peck although Michael Rennie is also good.
     
  7. Redfern

    Redfern Commodore Commodore

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    The on-set fatal accident seems to be a popular Hollywood myth floating about. Here's a link to his Wiki article:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Hunter

    And regardless of the nature of his demise, it seems he passed away in May, 1969, a few months after Trek wrapped final production. He was alive when "The Menagerie" was being filmed, so his absence seems to have been by choice or (non-fatal) circumstance.

    Sincerely,

    Bill
     
  8. Maurice

    Maurice Vice Admiral Admiral

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    A quick Google search would have corrected that misconception for you.
     
  9. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    There may be more to his death than the Wikipedia article indicates. According to the entry at Memory Alpha:

     
  10. Christopher

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    According to Inside Star Trek, both pilots were filmed at Desilu's Culver City studio facility. The Rigel fortress sequence was shot at the historic "40 Acres" backlot in Culver City, which also contained the "Mayberry" street location used in "Miri" and "City on the Edge of Forever." Here's a page about that backlot:

    http://www.retroweb.com/40acres.html

    Scroll down near the bottom of the page and you'll see a shot of the "Arab village" area of the backlot, built for DeMille's King of Kings in 1927. It's recognizably the Kaylar fortress from "The Cage" (as well as the Organian village from "Errand of Mercy").

    Anyway, the upshot is, no MGM.
     
  11. hokstein

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    Do you think TOS was faithful to this image of Kirk as a disciplined soldier and introspective man?
     
  12. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    Mostly, yes, although the former part slipped sometimes in the later seasons. The modern myth of Jim Kirk as some hotheaded renegade is a product of the movie era.
     
  13. Sector 7

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    I'd like to give it a try:

    Kirk--Clint Eastwood (GR pitched it as Wagon Train to the stars)
    Spock--Gregory Peck (I like this idea)
    McCoy--James Garner
    Scotty--sorry but i just can't picture anyone, but Jimmy Doohan
    Sulu--Toshiro Mifune
    Uhura--Lena Horne
    Rand--Shirley Jones (You think I'm kidding? See "Elmer Gantry". Woof.)(She was HOT back then!)
    Chekov--??? I'm stuck. Davy Jones? I kid. (Good idea actually!)
    Chapel-- Doris Day

    Feel free to grade my choices, or better yet... put up or shut up & make your own list! :vulcan:
     
  14. Nebusj

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    Quite. In fact, they went far enough under disciplined-and-introspective that Kirk was generally running on the verge of clinical depression; if McCoy wasn't watching for that he should have been.
     
  15. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk The Real Me Premium Member

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    Would "Big name" stars be interested in doing Science Fiction? Sure a few years after Trek premeired the late great Chuck Heston made a few SF pics.(Heston as Kirk?)

    Or would the parts goe to B list actors, former A listers or guys trying to make the jump from TV to movies?

    James Garner was and up and coming Leading man (having made the jump from TV) I can't see him taking the McCoy role. Kirk would be more likely.
     
  16. Biggshow

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    Shoot, man. I actually like the idea of Garner as Kirk. That's a Kirk who would definitely know the ins-and-outs of Fizzbin.

    Doris Day as Chapel. Hmmm...
     
  17. hofner

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    One aspect to this big budget Star Trek movie is who's the big-name director?

    Stanley Kubrick
    "Open the shuttlecraft hangar doors computer."
    "I'm sorry Captain Kirk but I can't do that."

    Alfred Hitchcock
    Shrieking violins as space monster attacks female crewmember in sonic shower.

    Robert Wise
    Oh wait...

    Robert