What if Cumberbatch is not the "Villain"?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Vektor, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. ROBE

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    King Daniel your correct Kre-O state the blue/black shirts as Specialists, however in their Press release they called them villains.
     
  2. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Geez, Section 31 again.

    Section 31 is a DS9 only product that nobody knows or cares about, especially not Abrams and Co.
     
  3. LobsterAfternoon

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    A) it's also on Enterprise
    B) I'm glad you're psychic/actually JJ Abrams.
     
  4. bullethead

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    I'm guessing the Klingons are the real villains of the film, along with these "Specialists," while Cumberbatch might be an anti-hero/villain that might have been screwed over by the Specialists. That, of course, assumes the Specialists are actually working for the Federation and not the Klingons.
     
  5. Therin of Andor

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    Well, Bob Orci helped plant an easter egg about a secret organisation wooing Sulu in one of the IDW comics.
     
  6. King Daniel Beyond

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    Thanks for the clarification. My bad.
     
  7. Franklin

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    Was that Weller's voice in the trailer telling Kirk Starfleet isn't about vendettas? If so, he must survive the attack.

    Weller's role may be deeper because:
    First, Weller said in interviews that he had his own starship. If he's offed in Harrison's attack, all he did in the movie was sit at a desk and die. Is that Weller's ship seen by the moon? Is it the one that crashes into SF Bay? Second, there has to be some thematic reason for him being named Adm. Marcus, while Eve's character is Carol Marcus. If it doesn't matter to the story, Weller's character could've had any other name. The "family" theme. Carol has skin in the game. Does she have to face up to anything her dad did, and feel she has to set it right? Third, Harrison has a cause based on what he calls, "crimes" by the commanders. It could be Weller and others in the admirality do have something to hide, and want to stop Harrison not for the obvious reasons of terrorism, but to protect a coverup of some kind. Fourth, in the translation of the first 28 minutes of the film shown in Brazil, Weller says that getting Harrison is a manhunt, plain and simple. Just go out there, find him, and kill him. Get rid of the thug. Why? Because the more he does or the more he talks, it reflects on the admiralty?

    Anyway, just some spitballing.
     
  8. WarpFactorZ

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    It's pretty clear Marcus / Weller doesn't die in the attack, since he's the one advising Kirk that "Starfleet isn't about vendettas".
     
  9. CorporalClegg

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    Is this time for the obligatory some villains are not necessarily the primary antagonist of the story post?
     
  10. Xaios

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    See, I figured that Helicopter shooting scene was a callback to the Voyager episode where the Trabe tried to sabotage the peace negotiation meeting with the Kazon being brokered by Janeway.
     
  11. King Daniel Beyond

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    I thought of that too! A memorable scene.
     
  12. Oso Blanco

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    That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the trailer. I even think that the Helicopter looks a little similar to that Trabe ship, shapewise.
     
  13. WarpFactorZ

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    I would be shocked if anything related to Voyager went through the writers' heads at any point.
     
  14. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The helicopter scene is a pretty clear lift from Godfather 3.

    The whole "Harrison is captured" sure looks a lot like Skyfall. Harrison wants to be aboard Enterprise.
     
  15. JarodRussell

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    I was rather reminded of True Lies.
     
  16. Bengoshi2000

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    Agreed on both points...

    ...but the latter makes me think Loki/Avengers and I'm trying to remain confident that JJ wouldn't do something so derivative so soon.
     
  17. yousirname

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    It's beginning to become standard. I think The Dark Knight started it but I couldn't swear to it.
     
  18. Flake

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    How do we know he wanted to be captured? Its being assumed!

    We don't know until the movie comes out.
     
  19. yousirname

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    Well obviously we don't know it but I wouldn't bet against it, you know?
     
  20. ChristopherPike

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    How would a hero justify blowing up a Federation building in London? Then assassinating a gathering of Starfleet Command? Heroes generally take on the bad guys, while doing their best to protect the innocent.

    If there's a conspiracy going on, and Harrison is trying to expose it... there are far cleverer, less indiscriminate ways to go about doing that.

    Commit collateral damage and you've already become the very thing you set out to destroy.
     
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