What I Don't Like About the USS Kelvin

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by CuttingEdge100, Jun 16, 2009.

  1. Sci

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    Yeah? Well, the USS Kelvin doesn't like you, either! Take that!
     
  2. SilentP

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    I managed to count 20 shuttles that survived to the frame before the fade towards the title part. With 800 people to sort between them, does anyone think 40 people per shuttle is a stretch (or somewhere close to that number in case Pike was rounding up etc.), especially if not every shuttle was packed, like the medical one, or do you reckon that those shuttles are spacious enough to hold 40 each?
     
  3. FrankR

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    Think about it this way: "Ensign; get in the shuttle with those other 39 people and live or stay here and die."

    I believe there was a thread a few weeks ago on this very topic.
     
  4. SilentP

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    Hehe, true :lol: Guess I'm still not used to these beefier sized shuttles compared to the ones that have been on all the other shows.
     
  5. Jeri

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    Yes, there was and earlier thread. It was said shuttles can hold 50 individuals; the academy shuttle that Kirk and McCoy boarded looked like it could. Also, in the book, George Kirk had to set a course somewhere down below where the Narada weapons could get him and make sure they didn't destroy him before the collision. He also programmed the auto-destruct to blow up simultaneously with the collision for an extra-nice explosion. The Narada would have been fixing that for a long time. There much to like about the Kelvin.
     
  6. Messianni

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    Says the person registered to a Star Trek message board.
     
  7. CuttingEdge100

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    Temper, Temper folks!

    I think Captain Robau was pretty cool, for the record...

    I just think the ship didn't conform to pre-timewarp events. Everything after 2233/4 was changed... but stuff PRIOR to 2233/4 was the same right?

    Then how could the ship be bigger than the Constitution Class which was supposed to be the biggest ship?

    While Gene Roddenberry is dead, all the way until Nemesis, you didn't see rocket like exhaust shoot out the backs of the warp-nacelles...

    And the reason why I state that the ship could not separate was because if they could, you'd figure in these circumstances they probably would! Plus the whole idea of twin-hulls was so that they could separate the primary hull as a lifeboat.


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  8. Hartzilla2007

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    When and were was it ever stated the the Constitution was the biggest ship?
     
  9. Qonos

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    um.. Stop, just stop. You're talking about the advantages and disadvantages of a fictional ship that hasn't been built with technologies that don't exist. Doesn't that set of some flags in your head that maybe you need to sit down, smoke a blunt and eat a bowl of ice cream? Have Trek fans become this Anal? I had no problems with the ship because. IT DOESN'T Actually exist. You do realize that Starship design in Star Trek is one of the most unrealistic things about Star Trek. I mean how does the Deflector system work when the ship has a shelf over it in the primary hull? How far out does the Deflector cone go and when does it's effectiveness become comprimised?

    Why do you need two Warp Nacelles to create a warp bubble around the ship? I never understood that especially when other stronger space warp (fold) theories have one fold engine inside the ship creating the fold pocket.


    There's more but I don't need to dig out my geek card yet.
     
  10. Crusher Disciple

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    She did seem to have a rather fetching chain of command. And a cute doctor.
     
  11. Herkimer Jitty

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    ST: XI had bright flashes coming from the nacelles. Not terribly different from TNG in that respect really, except that the thingy is on the back.

    Nemesis had literal exhaust coming out the the nacelles when the Enterprise jumped to warp.
     
  12. Crusher Disciple

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    Dude, that was farting.
     
  13. Silversmok3

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    Well,methinks a lot of those 800 crew bit it when Nero savaged the Kelvin beforehand. How many of those unfortunate souls in number we really cant calculate,but with casualties considered thered be far less than 800 who'd need a lift off the ship.
     
  14. Jeri

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    Dude piloting the shuttle was, too, in addition to aforementioned.

    Kirk's dad saved 800 lives -- quoth Christopher Pike. So -- not dead.
     
  15. BorgPhil

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    is it possible that the 800 people saved weren't all necessarily on the Kelvin? We heard them comminicating with a starbase, Pike could have included the people on that who would have also been at risk if the Narada hadn't been disabled, assuming it was pretty close by.
     
  16. Fish1941

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    Why did Nero attack the Kelvin?
     
  17. Kestrel

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    Aside from that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

    For friends of the family who died on Romulus, maybe his in-laws? To wit:

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    (mods, I'm not sure if this image is okay... hopefully? :alienblush:)
     
  18. Plecostomus

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    Ever consider joining a Church? Devote some of this asinine nitpicking twords worshiping the Lord? We have ONE TRUE GOSPEL that never changes and is not open to debate.

    In other words we have a canon that you can devote yourself to... as opposed to this endless wanking over an act of fiction that can be smoothed over by using your imagination.
     
  19. Praetor

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    Well:

    1. We don't know that the 1701 Enterprise was the biggest ship in TOS. All we know is that a "starship" is something special, and there were only twelve like her. Some fans have no problem with three-nacelle dreadnoughts, myself among them.
    2. Older technology could potentially make for a greater crew and bigger ship in the form of the Kelvin. (Although I still have issues with 800 people fleeing in those shuttles... )
    3. I don't think the Kelvin's warp core is necessarily in the secondary hull - I think it's all hangar. I somehow think the reactor might be contained in the warp nacelle, which could then itself simply be ejected. If the warp core is in the secondary hull, ejection of both the secondary hull and nacelle might be possible.
    In any case, I wouldn't stress over it. ;)
     
  20. The Badger

    The Badger Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Just as an idea, something to toss back and forth: we know George Kirk saved 800 lives. Is it possible that the Kelvin was transporting people at the time she encountered the Narada?

    It's own standard crew might be a lot less than that. And if the Kelvin were carrying passengers, perhaps she had a greater than usual number of shuttles too? Perhaps larger ones with increased cargo capacity.


    He'd set off on a mission to destroy federation worlds. After going through the wormhole the first thing he sees is a federation ship. He also needs to interrogate someone about the location of Spock, and isn't in the mood for a friendly chat.