What happened to Jennifer Lien?

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  1. teya

    teya Vice Admiral Admiral

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    That's what his electronic thingamabob was for...
     
  2. Lynx

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    When did she say that she didn't want to meet with anyone? I've never seen that comment from her. And how can you judge her and state that she had a lack of interest in her job?

    Maybe she realized that there was no idea to debate with those writers. Unfortunately she had to learn the hard way that it's meaningless to be too nice and quiet, one have to fight for ones rights. I wish she had been more like Beltran and Wang in that matter.

    As for her acting, I find her a good actress, better than most Star Trek actors. She really gave life to the character Kes.

    Well, if they were that meticulous, then I do wonder why they didn't have the same demands for other actors as well. If that had been the truth, the actress who played T┬┤Pol in Enterprise wouldn't have lasted five episodes.
     
  3. Melakon

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    Yeah, I never figured out the point of that gizmo. Apparently it's all right to achieve an altered mental state from an electronic device, but not by puffing some plant in a pipe.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    In a crunch... He could weaponize it surely?

    Alien ground pounders romper stomping door to door suddenly find their conciousness trapped in a hive mind collective they can't get out of.

    Tie the bugger into the antigravity and you'd be away laughing.

    Here's the thing...

    Beltran complained and complained... And then they forced him to make out with Jeri as his final punishment.

    It's just acting and not real, the bragging rights for his character is a thousand times more important than his lips touching her lips...

    You have to wonder if Beltran wasn't being rewarded for being a dick, but maybe Jeri was being punished for something awful that we don't know about?
     
  5. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Klingons are allowed to commit ritual suicide and murder if it's crouched in religious hokum.

    Yes he's allowed actual drugs, if it's forced on him by his religious beliefs.

    But Chakotay appears to be a wussy taking the wussy way out.
     
  6. Bad Thoughts

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    Fake psychedelics for a fake religion. However, making Chakotay part of a religion would give more context and legitimacy to his rituals. Moreover, it could serve as a counterpoint to how Christianity is normally portrayed.
     
  7. Guy Gardener

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    Christianity didn't survive World War III.

    Religion requires parents to brainwash their children.

    It's pretty clear by that point, hundreds of million dead, nations burning... #### God.
     
  8. Lighthammer

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    Some great points to be had here:

    #1.) Someone else mentioned (though it was too much to quote there) Picardo did a lot of poking and working with the writers and directors to build his character and even lean on his own talents. This really DID make The Doctor come even more alive because it allowed Picardo to add so much more of himself into the character. It was really quite awesome.

    #2.) They started playing around with the concept that Chakotay had graduated Star Fleet Academy with a focus in Anthropology, but they always stopped short of directly stating this or even focusing on this. Maybe its because I majored in Social Sciences, but I found the idea of a scientist who's focus was Anthropology aboard a star ship encountering new species every week REALLY POTENTIALLY COOL. They could have played with that in all manor of ways to really draw the character out. We got a really, really, really great taste of this "Distant Origin" (S03E23), in "Blink of an Eye" (S06E12) and finally in "Natural Law" (S06E22). This is something if executed a ton better after "Distant Origin" (which was a really good point when we should have felt like Chakotay could leave his guard down now and start really acting like a scientist), we probably could have seen a lot better use of the character in an almost CSI Alien kind of way. To me, this was a really big missed opportunity.

    #3.) There were also some really great threads that lead us to believe Chakotay was actually the one who trained Ro Laren in "Preemptive Strike" (TNG S07E24). Some retcons outright state it was him. This would have been really fun to play around with. If Chakotay was in fact the guy teaching a course in tactical training that 2/3s of the attendees washed out of every year, Chakotay may have been able to put Tuvok through his paces tactically. This is something else they really could have drawn on (though I would suggest Berman & Co. themselves didn't see the connection they accidentally made themselves till it was way too late).

    - How about helping invent the first Federation Transwarp?
    - How about helping create the most advanced astrophysics sensors in all of Star Fleet (with 7 of 9s help)?
    - How about helping finding FriendshipONE ?

    Harry did PLENTY to warrant him getting a promotion to full Lt. by the end of the series, if not Lt. Cmdr.
     
  9. R. Star

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    So pretty much everyone on Voyager should've been promoted several times because they all helped out on the various things it accomplished? What did -Harry- do? Anyone can play assistant.
     
  10. Guy Gardener

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    He collaborated with the Hirogen for an entire month, helping them manipulate and torture the crew?
     
  11. Melakon

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    You mean the same Federation Transwarp that turned Paris and Janeway into salamanders? :shifty:

    Yeah, that definitely deserves a little box on Harry's chair.
     
  12. Lighthammer

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    Breaking transwarp is an accomplishment, even if the affects were undesirable.
     
  13. Guy Gardener

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    While stranded in 1996, Harry in command of Voyager because everyone else of command rank was frolicking with all that ancient strange, Harry buzzed Hollywood, and got the ship recorded and broadcasted by the Network News.

    The Prime Directive (Earth at the time was a prewarp culture, and don't even get me started about the temporal displacement policy.) was basically ass floss to this kid.

    After that Tuvok slept with one eye open when Captain Kim as in charge of the night shift.

    Following the letter of the law, Kim was supposed to let the away team die to avoid cultural and temporal contamination of 20th century Earth... Which irronically would have won Harry the pink slip for Voyager if he hadn't been such a simp.
     
  14. Guy Gardener

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    The Enterprise broke the Transwarp barrier 5 years earlier.
     
  15. Lighthammer

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    Actually, I think that qualifies as more of a catapult; different physics were involved, but more importantly, no member of the federation was directly involved with the intended outcome.

    I don't think that qualifies as helping to invent technology that actually crosses the threshold.
     
  16. teacake

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    Do you think that after they got back to the Alpha quadrant and shared their Warp 10 discovery that fantastical experiments were done with putting dogs and maybe pandas into automatic pilot ships and seeing what the evolved into?
     
  17. Melakon

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    And they all came back as Roddy McDowall in his Cornelius costume.
     
  18. Lighthammer

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    Maybe this is how we REALLY got Julian Bashir or maybe Trills >.>
     
  19. teacake

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    What if they came back and the evolved pandas were really fascinating and wonderful and they said MAKE MORE OF ME and everyone refused (because the Federation does not experiment on animals, this is an independent experiment and they have nothing to gain by making more) and so the evolved pandas steal a ship and some proto-pandas and make more themselves. And then they breed and a new species is created.
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    Evolved pandas came back in time to make sure that pandas were evolved.
     

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