What do Star Trek fans think of Stargate?

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  1. DigificWriter

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    I have to ask the question of why whether or not someone is a fan of Star Trek would have any bearing whatsoever on their thoughts concerning Stargate, as the two franchises have very little in common.
     
  2. gturner

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    Well, it's complicated. In theory anybody on Star Trek could've pulled up some old Federation archives of Stargate episodes and watched them. But anyone on Stargate almost certainly had watched Star Trek growing up. This creates a temporal paradox because a Stargate character could've referenced a Star Trek episode where a Star Fleet officer mentioned how that particular Stargate episode ended, allowing the Stargate characters to alter their fate. But if they did that it would've changed the Star Trek episode, etc.

    Mindbending isn't it?
     
  3. AJ86

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    Eh? Why?
     
  4. Timelord Victorious

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    O'Neill certainly was a trekki. He tried to name every starship he got his hands on the Enterprise!
     
  5. Pavonis

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    Trek was certainly indirectly referenced as a fictional work in Stargate, but Stargate, as a fictional work, didn't exist in Trek.
     
  6. Saul

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    It was a really fun show, great action, characters, comedy. Went on 3 or 4 seasons too many, should have gone to movies. The original movie I enjoyed, never imagined it could spin off to a sequel or a series.
     
  7. archeryguy1701

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    This was something they addressed (I think it was in one of the DVD special features) and what it came down to is that they would have loved to have more language diversity in the show, but they only had 40min to work with and couldn't really spend time every single episode having Daniel trying to translate everything the other guys are saying.
     
  8. Star Wolf

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    Because in the Stargate universe NASA named their shuttle test vehicle after the TV show Enterprise and many real life astronauts, contemparies to SGC characters have referenced the series as part of their inspiration. However the Marines may have been more likely to have seen TNG or DS9 then TOS.
     
  9. AJ86

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    Star Trek and Star Wars are part of pop culture. You don't need to have watched either of them to know what the Enterprise is, or who Luke Skywalker or Captain Kirk are. The SGC is part of the US military, not NASA.
     
  10. marksound

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    I enjoyed SG1, and so did my wife who is not at all into sci-fi. She liked it because the aliens didn't have all the prosthetics, making it easier to follow the plot without all the distraction. I liked it because it could make fun of itself. That's a lesson that other shows could learn.
     
  11. Star Wolf

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    I understand that, the SGC was part of the US Military in the world were NASA existed. And in a world where the general public knowledge of space exploration included the space shuttle as its peak of manned spaceflight technology. Hence it is probable that since the shuttle test bed was named in part for a TV show's vehicle that the said TV show, as a TV show, is part of the Stargate fictional universe
     
  12. AJ86

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    Well yeah, it is. But the point of contention was whether most of the SGC personnel would have watched it or not.
     
  13. Star Wolf

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    And most SGC personnel would have been 10 to 30 years old when TNG premiered and likely to have watched Star Trek, it being in one of the preferred genres of people who grow up to be soldiers. A group for whom Star Trek references show up in other shows like the submarine XO using one in the movie Crimson Tide to short cut a crewman towards a solution.
     
  14. gturner

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    And the other shoe is that surely SG-1 episodes got archived in the 21st century and are, in theory, accessible to the characters on Star Trek. ^_^

    Of course there's rule #37843-A, no show exists as a show inside its own universe, so episodes of Star Trek shouldn't be in the Star Fleet database, but does this rule have a transitive property that no show that references Star Trek is in the database?

    Doctor Who is a little bolder about walking right up to the line about just finding out what happened before, but it's centered on time travel and has more fun with the concept. Star Trek is far more straight-laced, but I'll bet SG-1 would have few qualms about checking to see how their own episode ends via referencing another show, if they were pulling one of their comedic episodes.
     
  15. AJ86

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    People who grow up to be soldiers tend to be sci-fi geeks? Not buying it.
     
  16. Star Wolf

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    The first Star Trek computer game I came across was a straight combat simulation on the school's mainframe in 1979. By the time TNG and DS9 were in production just about the only military based shows on were Space Operas. There were reruns of old Combat or Rat Patrol episodes and the Vietnam based shows were on but only Tour Of Duty was combat based, the kind a future special forces airman might be likely to watch religiously.

    Star Trek itself had that military portion. The Enterprise and Voyager were in constant low intensity conflict and Defiant was in a total war. And just as future soldiers might only see combat and small unit tactics on SG-1 or The Unit in its day you could count on Star Trek in whatever form to provide a steady diet of firefights and ship to ship combat with the "soldiers" calling each other Commander, Captain and responding with "yes sir". Outside of SF you really didn't see that.

    Now they might not of went to a convention to trade Tribbles but they almost certainly were among the target demographic reached by Paramount.
     

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