Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by safarial, Sep 9, 2008.
Please post your thoughts on the subject.
Since most comic book writers are liberal, he tends to lean liberal.
I don't think someone that thought as Captain America would actually call himself Captain America. He basically is just like Superman except he will kill if he has no choice.
Hmmm, drapes himself in the flag and calls himself Captain America...
And yet he's not the gung-ho "everyone who doesn't fall in line is a communist/terrorist!" type. He opposed the Superhuman Registration Act in Civil War, remember.
Grew up on the streets of New York in the Dirty 30s; he reveres FDR and the New Deal, favours a very muscular foreign policy, uncompromising on issues of morality (he once said he couldn't be president because that job requires the ability to compromise on ideals to do it properly, something he's dedicated himself to not doing).
I'm no expert on the comic book medium, but, in a word, no. You're going to have to offer up a LOT of support for this argument.
Yeah but he thought that privacy for superheroes was more important than protecting all 50 states AND the planet by having a more unified, trained superhero force. As one of the senators told Tony: cops and feds put their asses on the line (and their families') every day without masks. I admired his dedication but couldn't fully agree with him on that one.
if the OP is asking about party affiliation, I have no clue... he doesn't seem to fit into either of the two current major parties
It is pretty accurate; comics tend to have a liberal skew, socially anyway; there are a few notable conservatives (Bill Willingham, Chuck Dixon).
Now, what liberal means changes over time; 60s Marvel has a very Kennedyesque muscular liberalism that's all about taking on the Commies, for example.
Returning to the original topic, according to Dave Campbell::
I didn't read any of it, but from what I gathered it wasn't the idea of having a trained superhero force, it was the idea of forcing super humans to fight for the government whether they intended to fight crime or not, because of their abilities. No different than the MRA. At least that is what I gathered.
Is that something you would support?
^ Yep. The real problem with the SHRA was conscription, and I'm solidly with Captain America and all the other heroes who said 'Hell no, we won't go.' If it had only been registration, I would have agreed with Iron Man's side--government has a legitimate interest in knowing what, in its territory, can cause damage on the scale of superhumans--but the minute they started turning registration into the fascist glee club that is the Fifty State Initiative and detaining people over what are basically ideological differences, creating a system of indefinite incarceration for political prisoners, they lost the moral high ground--precipitously.
As for Cap's politics, I also don't see a modern equivalent. I imagine that Cap goes to the polls to vote, since he sees it as his civic duty, but probably spoils the ballot in protest.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
The SHRA is essentially the legalization of slavery of super-humans. The SHRA basically says you either work for the government, or the government will either imprison you or maim you. No middle ground. I agree with Trent that if it were merely registration, that would not have been as big of an issue.
AFAIC, Tony Stark became the vindication of all of Magneto's fears about humans enslaving mutants (and by extension in this case, all super-humans). You might not agree with Magneto's methods (I don't), and you might even oppose him when he strikes (I would), but you can never say that he doesn't have a legitimate reason for his fears for the future. Not anymore. Tony Stark has proved him right.
Ultimate Cap's really right-wing. more than the 616 Cap...
yet, he's written by a Scottish Socialist most of the time...
Ed Brubaker said that Democrats want him to be on their side and Republicans want him on their side. I think he's on America's side. I bet most of the petty issues don't matter to the man. He's going to do whatever's correct if it's a Republican position or a Democrat position.
Which was kind of the point; Millar's Cap was a parody of the Bush Administration.
Are they ever going to fixed the Marvel Universe or is it going to be screwed up from now on. Marvel has finally gotten old so they can't keep having characters live in real time. The idea of trying to even keep all of this straight hurts my head. I mean Thor in Oklahoma, come on. When will they stop trying to make realistic comics.
Cap is an old school conservative or rather democrat from the 40s and adheres closely to the views of the people of that era.
He's an extreme black/white person, he'll take clear stances on anything and doesn't leave room for ambiguity.
Politically he may be a conservative (in the true meaning of the word and not today's Karl Rove/Bush conservatism) but socially he's very liberal. He merits people on character and not on skin tone yet he supports a firm stance against anyone trying to hurt America.
He repeatedly went against the US government when he perceived them doing something un-american (so far as to take off his uniform and adopt a different identity out of protest) and if he were in action after WW2 he'd have a fit about McCarthy and Nixon (and probably even the Vietnam War).
When enough fans stop demanding it.
Ironically, mutants are exempt from the SHRA.
Cap is for America and the American Dream.
As an icon he knows he has to remain neutral.
Steve Rogers on the other hand..
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