Watchmen 2?

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  1. Ian Keldon

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    I very much liked that they got rid of the cynical, deconstructionist and dystopian claptrap from the LXG comics and presented the film as a straightforward action/adventure period piece.

    The director addresses that in the commentary track. There was a late 1800s Sawyer story published that made him eligible to be depicted as he was in the film.

    and from the Wikki article on Sawyer:

     
  2. milo bloom

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    I know what you mean, any other issue and I'm all Occupy this or 99% that, but Moore just comes across as pathetic.

    You know, sometimes I hear people complaining about their lot in life and they'll occasionally get to a point where they ask "Is it me?" And you have no other choice but to say, "yes, it's you."

    I feel like that would be the proper response to Mr. Moore.

    I just can't fathom the absolute hypocrisy of him using other people's characters and then complaining about the prequels being done.
     
  3. Nerys Myk

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    Funny how he seems to have a different set for rules for himself.
     
  4. trekkiebaggio

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    Ahhh okay thanks for the link. Sounds like he realises he didn't read the contract closely enough but like you say that's with hindsight and it was an unusual contract at the time.
     
  5. Admiral_Young

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    I don't know why I thought Moore had anything to do with the film, I could have sworn that I read an LXG treatment from him years ago...
     
  6. Admiral_Young

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  7. 23skidoo

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    I agree. I mean, even as an underperformer, the Watchmen movie would have netted Moore a substantial paycheque if he'd left his name on it. Same with other film adaptations he's stepped away from. He didn't have to - he could have taken the money and run, and certainly the Watchmen movie didn't dishonor him or the graphic novel (indeed it probably helped sell a ton of copies of the original), so there would have been no harm done. But he stuck to his principles (not to mention his understandable gunshy-ness after messes like the LXG movie which I personally liked but now resent as it made Sean Connery decide to stop making movies).

    Reading that back it almost seems like a knock against Dave Gibbons, but it isn't. Gibbons has different attitudes and certainly when it came to Watchmen I did get the impression that he was trying to keep "the whole team's end up" on behalf of Moore, so I admired that too.

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  8. Allyn Gibson

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    Moore did take the money for Watchmen -- that's how he financed that magazine he published, Dodgem Logic.
     
  9. Admiral_Young

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  10. milo bloom

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    Just how many stories are they planning on doing? Just these announced sets and then done? I had already planned on waiting for the collected trades before buying, but I wonder if there'll be an even bigger collected set once they're all out.
     
  11. Admiral_Young

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    "Before Watchmen" will consist of seven mini-series plus one one shot for now. DC at this time have not announced anything else. They're most likely waiting to see how these will be received, which is logical.
     
  12. The Borgified Corpse

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    Didn't he think the V for Vendetta movie washed away the sour taste of LXG? I mean, come on, the V for Vendetta movie was awesome!
     
  13. Allyn Gibson

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    No, Moore has serious problems with the V for Vendetta film. He doesn't feel that his critique of Thatcherism should have been appropriated to make a critique of the Bush era, nor did he like that the anarchism of his V was simplified into a generic freedom fighter character.

    He's since come to accept that the film has had a positive impact with the Anonymous movement, but he doesn't approve of it. For what it's worth, David Lloyd thinks that Moore is off his rocker when it comes to the film.

    There's only one film adaptation of his work that Moore approves of, and that's a fan animation of his Doctor Who comic book story, "Black Legacy."
     
  14. The Borgified Corpse

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    I think David Lloyd is right-- Moore is nuts. Particularly if he's complaining that his already allegorical critique of the now bygone Thatcher era was understandably and inevitably updated to critique a current, similar conservative movement.

    Sadly, it's a shame that there isn't really a similar way to make the Cold War aspects of Watchmen current or relevant. In 1987, Watchmen was an alternate-universe commentary on the present & the possible near future. The movie was made as a period piece. And while period pieces can, in some instances, educate us on where we came from, Watchmen can't even do that because it's not set in our past but the past of some alternate universe that never existed.
     
  15. Turtletrekker

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    ^I seem to recall that at one point the studio wanted to update the story to the modern day and replace Vietnam with 9/11. Frankly, I'm glad that they didn't go down that route.
     
  16. Allyn Gibson

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    That was in the Paul Greengrass script. Greengrass discusses it here.
     
  17. nvek86

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    While not a film, I think I read somewhere that he also liked the adaptation of "For the Man who has Everything" that Justice League Unlimited did.
     
  18. Admiral_Young

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    DiDio and Lee discuss the Before Watchmen controversies (mainly Alan Moore) and briefly address the Chris Roberson situation. They also confirm that there will be a running story called "The Crimson Corsair" that will function the same way that "The Black Freighter" did and it will be written by Len Wein.

    http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38300
     
  19. 23skidoo

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    I stand corrected. I thought he financed Dodgem with royalties he received from the original Watchmen graphic novel.

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  20. Disruptor

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    He was wrong to like that. In his original story, ROBIN saves Superman's ass. Give the Boy Wonder his due.