Was the Temporal Integrity Commission/Relativity/Daniels on vacation?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by roguephoenix, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. roguephoenix

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    the only problem with the creation of alternate timelines is that there would be no need to correct much of anything since they are all alternate timelines. there really is no need for a time ship like relativity except for research missions. they wouldn't need to go back in time to try and correct stuff because that will just be an alternate timeline.
     
  2. M

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    Truer words were never spoken. I never thought the whole idea of a temporal agency made a lick of sense.
     
  3. Lord Garth

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    Unless they haven't figured out how to feasibly travel between realities in the 29th Century. In that case, once the Relativity's timeline is altered, they can't go back to their unaltered reality. They have no choice but to correct a tampered timeline because it's the only one they have access to.
     
  4. roguephoenix

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    but in your explanation, every altering is just another alternate reality, so the fact that they've been able to alter things before, means they are able to travel between alternate realities. plus their goal is to prevent the timeline from being altered so knowing where the incursion occured, their goal will be to prevent the incident and restore the timeline. though by restore, it would be more like preventing the incident so that the incursion never happened therefore negating that alternate reality as it would have never happened. so, still following your alternate reality train of thought, if they went back to a point in time before the disruption occured, they wouldn't technically be on a different reality as that alternate has not been created yet, hence they would have no problem getting to it, if they indeed had a problem traveling to alternate realities.
     
  5. Tarek71

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    Remember when Worf was bouncing around between different timelines and different versions of the Ent-D, and they got to see hundreds of thousands of Enterprises? In some, the Borg win and assimilate the Federation, etc.

    Im sure theres a timeline where the Borg destroy the Phoenix and kill Cochrane and there was never a Federation to begin with. And lets not forget the one where Spock has a goatee and serves the evil Terran Empire.

    Its one of many alternate timelines which Trek has already established as existing, and in this one, the Relativity & Co doesnt exist or somesuch.
     
  6. teacake

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    In Trek XII I want the character of Daniels from ENT to just walk past in a crowded scene. That's it. That would be very cool.
     
  7. Samurai8472

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    Yes, we've now left the Berman/Braga Quadrant and are heading towards the Abram Quadrant;)


    Like the Observer in "Fringe"
     
  8. Jeri

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    I loved Daniels; I could eat him with a spoon, without salt.
     
  9. roguephoenix

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    i completely agree. the theory that every incident creates an alternate reality, there would be too much to calculate and anticipate in order to restore the timeline as is. even if they did manage to "restore" the timeline, it's not guaranteed that the events will be played out as they once did. they will never be done fixing that one timeline since they will have to make sure everything goes according to how it once did. they will not only have to monitor past, but also present and future. they will have to make sure that what is done in tha past does not affect the future adversely even though it "restores" the current timeline. the amount of decisions to make is outrageous.
     
  10. teacake

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    My dear you have something on your chin..
     
  11. -Brett-

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    If they wanted to do something with the "Relativity", they would have made a Voyager movie. But since that would have made about five hundred bucks world wide, they didn't.

    Whole point of this movie is a fresh start for the franchise. No more eugenics wars. No more transphasic torpedoes, or temporal cold wars. New beginning.
     
  12. Lord Garth

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    Okay, after this, I'm done for the night. I need to go to bed. :p

    I think the new Trek timeline no longer has anything in common with the old Trek timeline much earlier than 2233. Let's say these two timelines have everything in common up until the 1990s, as an example, and then they branch off from each other. In the Relativity's reality there were Eugenics Wars from 1992-1996. In the New Trek reality, everything up through at least 2009 occurs as we know it in real life. So the New Trek reality is a parallel universe like the Mirror Universe. It's entirely possible that the Mirror Universe also has a common past with the Prime Universe but naturally diverged, just to make up a number, four million years ago.

    Maybe the Relativity doesn't need to be concerned about what Nero does in a parallel universe that was never intended to lead up their reality in the first place. In other words, 2233 in Star Trek was never the 2233 in the Relativity's universe and it would be impossible to reconcile the two universes. It's not just one or two things different about New Universe or one or two points that can be blamed for all the differences. There were differences that unfolded for several reasons going back several hundred years.

    The Relativity might examine realities on a case by case basis. The degree of divergence might play a major factor. How fundamentally different is a reality from theirs? And are they dealing with an Altered Timeline or a Different Timeline?

    An Altered Timeline would be something like "Yesterday's Enterprise" where one change due to a temporal anomoly alters everything else. A Different Timeline is a timeline where there are several differences which had nothing to do with any anomolies and have to do with how that timeline naturally developed. So Nero disrupted what was already a fundamentally differnet universe to begin with.

    Because of the soft science with the black hole, Nero and Spock don't have to travel back in a straight line. They can go sideways in time instead of just back. They're going into a time/reality that Relativity might not even be aware of.
     
  13. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Being a time-ship and all that, the Relativity must be protected from changes to the timeline.
     
  14. roguephoenix

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    i can see that. however, isn't it within their jurisdiction people from their timeline go back and create alternate timelines? ones in which there's a lot of devastation that occurs? also, since they are a ship/agency that exists out of normal timespace, wouldn't any temporal incursion be within their jurisdiction?

    what could also be is that because of this new timeline, the timespace where relativity and the "time cops" actually came from somehow benefits, i.e. a stronger vulcan-romulan relationship where romulans are actually in the federation or whatnot. one way to see it is that despite the suffering and devastation that occurs now, the future benefits that this incident will bear are far greater than what was lost.
     
  15. Jeri

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    It will be gone in the blink of an eye, I assure you.
     
  16. Gryffindorian

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    Seeing as Enterprise is as good as another timeline to me, I'm going to have to say, "Who's Daniels?"
     
  17. DiSiLLUSiON

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    I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but:

    Don't think of the Federation's Timefleet (with the Relativity) as being objective; they're the Federation's Timefleet after all. It would stand to reason they would try to make their timeline as good as possible for the Federation. If the Federation would be stronger because of this attack, I highly doubt they would stop it.
     
  18. RAMA

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    It would be a cool story...say in comics or novels to explain how an urgent mission by the Relativity failed to stop the temporal changes made by Nero.

    RAMA
     
  19. JoeZhang

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    I think it's basically because that show sucked and they wanted to make money and trek fans wanted to have sex with other people.
     
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