Was the Temporal Integrity Commission/Relativity/Daniels on vacation?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by roguephoenix, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. roguephoenix

    roguephoenix Captain Captain

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    just made me wonder if this was an alteration in the timeline, wouldn't the relativity (or other time ship at the federation's dispense in the future) had jumped back to try and stop this? or could it be that in the timeline that created that future with that ship, this event had to have happened so in their view this was the correct timeline and needed to happen. stands to reason that if the federation had become aware of time travel tech earlier they would have been able to "perfect" it more by the time the relativity was to be built. it's not like this event would be out of the scope of the relativity as they don't seem to be affected by the changes in timeline when they occur.
     
  2. OneBuckFilms

    OneBuckFilms Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Re: Relativity

    The Relativity might not be aware of the Alternate Universe, or it simply could be a part of Base History, as the original timeline (aka Prime Universe) is still intact.

    So the Narada and Spock go through a time portal, and simply disappear as far as the Prime Universe is concerned.

    Meanwhile,hen they reach the past, a new Universe is created in parallel, where Spock and the Narada change things, and we have the movie.
     
  3. Brent

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    Re: Relativity

    That question could be asked for every time travel episode in the history of Trek, why was the Relativity or other time ships never there to correct the problem in the timeline?

    Cause up until the episode Relativity, it didn't exist! :p
     
  4. donners22

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    Re: Relativity

    Or perhaps the changes were meant to happen, and they just sat back quietly and let matters unfold. What do they call it, pre-destination paradox or some such?
     
  5. Neutrino

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    Well we know that when Daniels plucked Archer out of the Enterprise turbo lift it caused an immediate effect to the future and they ended up on a destroyed Earth where the Federation never came to be. I think there's a ripple through time and if the future Temporal agency doesn't act fast enough and send a ship like the Relativity they become a casualty of the altered timeline.
    I believe it's reasonable to think that perhaps the time travelling of Spock and Nero has caused a change to the future and they did not act fast enough before succumbing to the timeline change so as far as the new future Temporal agency is concerned the events of Nero in the 23rd century are part of history that must be left to take place.
     
  6. roguephoenix

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    Re: Relativity

    the thing is that the relativity is outside the reach of time changes isn't it? else they wouldn't know if things went the way they want them to. which is why i was thinking that this change in the timeline is what enabled the creation of the relativity and it's ability to detach itself from time.

    yea i was thinking the same thing. this had to happen in order for the timeline where the relativity was to exist to become. stands to reason early exposure to time travel tech made the federation more aware earlier and pursue this tech more aggressively leading to the development of a practical time travel ship (or ships, not sure if relativity was one of a kind)
     
  7. Neutrino

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    Do you know what I find interesting, as far as i'm aware the only time Braxton or the relativity etc ever go back in time to rectify something is because the time alteration has had something to do with somebody going back in time from their particular time period. In Voyager it always involved something from Braxtons time. For example Braxtons small ship, the future Braxton altering history where they obtain Sevens help.

    It is my theory that the Temporal Agency (which includes Braxton and the Relativity etc) which deals with time travel alterations is only allowed to take action if the time travelling took place after the creation and signing of the Temporal Accord.

    They never took action in FC, they've never took action against Sisko, they've never took action other times when Kirk time travelled. I believe the reason for that is because they have no jurisdiction to act against people time travelling before the time of the accords signing.
     
  8. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Re: Relativity

    There is an answer to that question, why doesn't 29th century Starfleet stop Nero:

    They still can.

    In a very real sense, they have plenty of time.
     
  9. Neutrino

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    But what if Nero's time travel escapade alters the future to the point where there is no time agency, no temporal accord and no Relativity? How do we know for certain the Relativity is safe from time alterations? if it was indeed safe then every time time travel has taken place no matter how tiny a new time line will be created (the butterfly effect) and a new Relativity would be created. By now there must be 5000+ Relativity's existing.

    The only logical conclusion I can come up with is that Nero's time travelling re-writes the future and to the new future Relativity Nero's time travelling is a must.
     
  10. miraclefan

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    Re: Relativity

    I doubt the ''Time'' police would bother in the affairs of an ''Alternate Universe''.
     
  11. Kelso

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    The Relativity was from the distant future. Any temporal meddling by folks from the 25th century would be in their history.
     
  12. Photoman15

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    Well, that's the thing. You can't have Relativity fixing things in the past AND a multiverse. It's one or the other, depending on what the story needs.
     
  13. Neutrino

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    Exactly, so in order to police Nero's time travelling we need a 24th century Temporal police force, but none exists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and they don't exist until the signing of the Temporal accord by which time Nero's time jump is history.
     
  14. Brent

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    Re: Relativity

    They can scan the timeline like sensors scan in space, so they should know of any meddling by other time travelers, like Nero

    Then you have to think about Starfleet of the 31st century, Daniels time frame, or even greater, WHO gets to police the timeline if youv'e got a time agency say in the 50th or 100th century or something, which time agency in which time period gets to police the timeline and who does what when?

    I have a headache
     
  15. Neutrino

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    But to them it's already happened and is history. They can only police time travelling from their own time period. If their sensors indicate a change in the time line then clearly it's been done by someone from their own time period because otherwise it wouldn't show up on sensors as it's already happened long ago.
     
  16. Brent

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    They were eager though to go back in time and fix Voyager getting blown up by a temporal weapon, they certainly intervened there.

    If Voyager was destroyed, which it was, then wouldn't that have been their history already at that point? THEIR present was the present where Voyager was destroyed in the past.
     
  17. Neutrino

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    What temporal weapon? where did it come from? :confused: If you mean the Krenim torpedo incident a future Braxton was meddling with it which is why they had to get involved.
     
  18. Brent

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    In the episode relativity, they stopped Voyager from blowing up, which would have been their past anyway, a past where voyager was destroyed, that was their present.
     
  19. Mr. Laser Beam

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    We know their *ships* are, so it stands to reason that their entire organization is as well.
     
  20. Brent

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    But which time agency gets to determine what actions to take when, you gotta think, if they had a temporal agency in the 29th century that watches over the timeline and policies it, then wouldn't there be one in the 31st century, and the 50th century, and the 100th, century and the 456,642,466 century? So which time agency gets control of policing the timeline? To an agency billions of years in the future it is ALL the past to them! heh
     

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