Was the reveal of the Enterprise-A a big surprise?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Amasov, May 25, 2013.

  1. King Daniel Beyond

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    For what it's worth, I think the NX-1701-A looks much better in the old blueprint pack as a set of line drawings than it does as a textured 3D model. I liked the way the warp core ran through the ship diagonally in the cutaway.
     
  2. Faria

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    this ship is horrible
     
  3. Captain Clark Terrell

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    It is. And that's a fact.

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  4. Belz...

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    This is a fact, and that's my opinion. However, that it's my opinion is a fact. In my opinion...
     
  5. C.E. Evans

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    Nonsense. If a person makes a broad generalization, it's a broad generalization and is subject to debate if another person thinks otherwise. If a poster can't be bothered to express themselves clearly, then it's the poster's problem.

    That's my point. What one person considers ugly another considers attractive.
    That's because I'm not a mind reader. I don't know you. All I can go by is by your statements. You made a broad generalization about something and I disagreed with it. Simple as that.
    Unlikely.

    Your post is horrible.
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  6. jayrath

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    I love how any thread that runs over five pages boils down to attack and counterattack.

    Anyway, I was alive at the time, saw the film at the time, and it was very exciting to see the new Enterprise. But it wasn't a complete surprise. I'd already seen it for weeks on my McDonald's placemat. :)
     
  7. Captain Clark Terrell

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  8. Belz...

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    So it's your point that ugly is automatically subjective, but I still have to make it clear that it's my opinion ? Don't you realise the contradiction ?

    No, that's irrelevant: NO statement of that nature can be anything but subjective. You don't need to read my mind to know it's my opinion when I say "beef tastes good".
     
  9. Captain Clark Terrell

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    ^This back-and-forth is becoming tiresome.

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  10. The Old Mixer

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  11. trevanian

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    Oh no, no, no. Once you get past the dish, that is just all over the place. Looping struts, secondary hull that looks like cross between a mouse and a kickstand ... nix on this NX.

    Now if you throw away the dish and turn the whole thing upside down, it might work as a sister ship to the thing at the beginning of SPACEHUNTER (then again, if you do the same with EXCELSIOR, it almost looks like a just-miss take on a John Berkey style ship.)
     
  12. C.E. Evans

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    There's no contradiction. When someone makes it clear they're presenting an opinion, it's just how they feel about something. But when someone makes a broad generalization that "this is that" and another person doesn't believe in that generalization, then that person is free to argue it. Nothing contradictory about that.
    No, it is very relevant. If a person can't be bothered to express themselves clearly, then that person has a problem, not others.
    I don't think it's all over the place. While it isn't my favorite design, I give it points for trying to be different (and not a kit-bash) back in '86 or '87 when the design was first made. I don't have a problem with curved pylons, and while the secondary hull may be more tall than long, it is kind of keeping with the Excelsior-class to some extent (I think the designer was considering it as something that came after the Excelsior-class). I've seen worse designs than this one, though.
     
  13. Belz...

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    The problem here is simply that you think it's possible to make a statement about one's personal preferences that is objective.

    "It's ugly" is a statement of personal opinion. Can't be anything else. Being clear is one's own responsibility, sure. But when something follows logically from another, it gets ridiculous to ask for a complete enunciation of all that the post implies.
     
  14. C.E. Evans

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    That's not what I'm thinking at all.
    I just don't agree with you.
     
  15. Belz...

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    I can see that. I guess we'll have to leave it at that, because I can't think of a clearer way of explaining it.

    In the interest of avoiding any future confusion with you, however, I have decided to update my signature. I hope this suits your needs at the same time as allowing me to remain lazy.
     
  16. Captain Clark Terrell

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    Somehow, I don't think this is over at all.

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  17. Belz...

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    Aw, Sran. And I had made such a nice finale, here.
     
  18. Captain Clark Terrell

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    You did, but I remember posts exactly like it from this time last week. Yet, here we are...

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  19. EliyahuQeoni

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    OTOH if someone can't grasp the concept that somebody can just be expressing an opinion even when they don't explicitly state "In my opinion..." (or lacks to reading comprehension ability to understand when this is being done) then that is their problem.

    In my opinion, of course.
     
  20. JarodRussell

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    This thread wandered off into pointlessness. In my opinion.
     

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