Was Chakotay a stereotype?

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  1. lurok

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  2. Gov Kodos

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  4. Guy Gardener

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    After world war 3 you mean?

    And not even that but after Optimum and Colonel Green.

    Where the Vulcans around for Colonel Green?

    But all man did was suck on the Vulcan teet until Earth grew up into Vulcan II.
     
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    YES PLEASE.

    And she already plays this character in an AU universe of San Diego :lol:

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  8. Guy Gardener

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    Alternate Universe or Australia?

    Hell?

    I haven't gotten that backwards all this time?

    Are you from the Alternate Universe Teacake?
     
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  10. Guy Gardener

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    Don't we all.
     
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    Sure, but it keeps turning out like a buggered up slinky.
     
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    Not a buggered up slinky Gov Kodos, a non-conformist slinky.

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  13. Guy Gardener

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    A regular standard sized slinkly?

    Wow.

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  14. teya

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    "Tattoo" places Chakotay's heritage firmly in Central America.

    Which is part of North America.

    Which has a subtropical climate.

    Where there are palm trees & rubber plants.

    Hell, there are even native palm trees in California, which is not tropical or subtropical.

    Meanwhile, I'll let my Mayan friends know that they aren't real Indians because Australians don't think they are and therefore they are not. They're really Spaniards. Guy decreed that, even though it's painfully obvious that he has no clue as to the demographics of Mexico, Central & South America.
     
  15. Guy Gardener

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    You remember Cortez? I didn't say that South American Indians ain't Indians, I said that the conquistadors who got off the boat from Spain 500 years ago to rape and pillage south America are not Indians nor are their descendants as indigenous as they claim they are after ONLY 500 years.

    If your beef is "Rob claimed" well then that's just because whatever he said off camera as a private citizen is not canon, because whatever "Rob claims" the writer/producers could have made an episode that contradicted his claims at any point in the series run.

    If Rob wanted to do more than "claim" then he should have written an episode about Chakotay like Bob did about the Doctor. It's not impossible to be heard when you're that close to the heart of the matter.

    I checked with Google on Tropical plants and the Rubber tree. Outside of a greenhouse the website I breezed through claimed that they weren't native to or happy if some idiot tries to plant them in North America.
     
  16. teya

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    Most indigenous in the Americas have some degree of white ancestry.

    So, since you're making yourself the arbiter of this, how would you define an Indian? Is it by bloodline? By being raised in that culture?

    By your comments, I'm not indigenous--even though I am recognized as such by both the US government & my tribal government.

    Sorry, dude. You do not have the right to determine that for someone else, simply because they don't fit your romantic stereotypical notions.
     
  17. Guy Gardener

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    Dear god woman can you read?

    THE SPANISH!

    FROM SPAIN!

    That's the only people I said weren't Indians.

    Because they're Spanish.

    FROM SPAIN!
     
  18. teya

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    Dear God Man! Do you understand?! Can you read?!

    How do you determine which people, 500 years after the Spanish invaded, and after 500 years of intermarriage, are indigenous and which aren't? Come on! You can tell me what the secret is!

    The story is no different in North America than in South America. Just different white invaders.

    From you:

     
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    Welp I forgot all about central america. I plead uhh... dumbness.

    Also I'm reading all this "Dear GOD MAN" "DEAR god WOMAN" talk in McCoy's voice.
     
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  20. Gov Kodos

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    One could ask how a plank of wood is supposed to be a stereotype, I suppose? Whatever nonsense was offered was standing amidst a forest of blandness for the bulk of the series.