Warlord and the lesbian kiss

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Tyberius, Mar 10, 2014.

  1. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    As olden days as tomorrow the legal and casual definition of sodomy can include consensual heterosexual aural sex.

    Blow jobs between man and wife.

    This is enough cause for God to nuke cites.

    Pillars of fire, whatever.

    Your only hope to survive what comes next is to just say no to blowjobs.

    JUSYSAYNO!
     
  2. teacake

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    IN THE EARS?!!!!
     
  3. Melakon

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    This must be where the phrase "stick it in your ear" comes from.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    Suddenly waxy build up seems like a good thing.

    (Fuck me, I misspelt oral. You are all horrible.)
     
  5. Tiberius

    Tiberius Commodore Commodore

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    :eek:




























    ;)
     
  6. Guy Gardener

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    Still horrible.
     
  7. Greg Cox

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    I don't recall him blasting Jacob and Rachel and Leah in the OT. :)

    Besides, who says God has jurisdiction in the Delta Quadrant? For all we know, that Q's territory.
     
  8. Guy Gardener

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    No love for Lot's wife?
     
  9. Greg Cox

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    I don't remember her having a threesome. But, c'mon, you just know Jacob and Rachel and Leah got busy under the covers once in a while--and that's not even counting their handmaidens. :)
     
  10. Melakon

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    I'm on a salt restricted diet.
     
  11. Greg Cox

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    There's a salt vampire joke here somewhere, but I can't quite find it . . ..
     
  12. teacake

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    Hint for Greg: that mouth..
     
  13. Drone

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    By consequence of his long exile out in the wilderness, Tieran perforce had to be a master manipulator of interpersonal dynamics. So whatever permutations of sexual badinage were necessary to further exert his control over cohorts/enemies/whoever, he was fine with. Whatever his own orientation, it probably gave him an exhilarating respite from so intensely furrowing his forehead pegs with his constant power machinations.
     
  14. Drone

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    By the by, I also meant to say that this thread is very divertingly titled. I spied it in the roster and had the immediate sense I was about to start reading a fairy tale!!!
    Jack and the Giant Beanstalk came to mind for some reason.
     
  15. exodus

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    I have to choose??
     
  16. david g

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    As I discuss at length in my book "Gender and Sexuality in Star Trek," VOY is full of rich, and resonantly explored, queer subtext. I also do not see it in any way, except perhaps for some of the earlier plots, as "a formulaic 'TNG-lite' show," as Christopher does. I thought VOY daringly explored dynamics of gender and queer desire.
     
  17. Guy Gardener

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    By accident because they were too ignorant to censor themselves.
     
  18. david g

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    Guy, I completely disagree, and your comment shows that you don't have much respect for the intelligence and creativity that VOY was capable of.
     
  19. Christopher

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    "Daringly?" When it didn't even have the courage to go through with a lesbian kiss as DS9 had already done a year or so before?

    And your last two sentences are a complete non sequitur. I wasn't talking about whether or not there was GLBT subtext, I was talking about whether UPN wanted to allow serialization, deal with the practical consequences of the ship's stranding, etc.
     
  20. david g

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    Christopher, you seemed to be saying that VOY's being "TNG-lite" and formulaic contributed to its lack of exploration of LGBTQI subtext, in comparison to DS9. Is that not what you were saying? If I misunderstood, my apologies.

    I would argue--as I have argued--that Trek explores queer themes allegorically. This does not excuse Trek for not exploring queer themes explicitly, but, nevertheless, the allegorical resonance of Trek's queer themes runs deep in my view. In terms of VOY, I see some fairly daring allegorical exploration of queer desire in "Faces," "The 37s," "Deadlock," "The Chute" (almost explicit here), "Warlord," "Blood Fever," "The Gift," "Demon," "Drone," "Dark Frontier," "Course: Oblivion," "Imperfection," "Flesh and Blood" I and II, "Endgame," to name a few, and many of the stand-alone Doctor episodes.