Voth vs. the Borg

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by davidant32, Aug 22, 2013.

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Voth vs. Borg

  1. Voth

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  2. Borg

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    48.5%
  3. Dunno

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    15.2%
  1. davidant32

    davidant32 Commodore Commodore

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    Which species is superior in terms of technology?

    The Borg probably have an advantage in terms of sheer numbers and also benefit from the technology of species all over the galaxy, but the Voth have been space-faring for tens of millions of years. Being in the Delta Quadrant, I'm sure these two species have had their run-ins, or are at least aware of each other.
     
  2. Pondwater

    Pondwater Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    The Borg. They have assimilated technology of millions. If they ever have encountered each other they Borg probably found them "unremarkable" like the Kazon.
     
  3. R. Star

    R. Star Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Really the only thing known about the Voth is they're better than Voyager. As we never saw them again, it's really just speculation.
     
  4. Vanyel

    Vanyel The Imperious Leader Premium Member

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    Or is the Voth really are out numbered enough that the Borg can overwhelm them, the Voth may just be keeping their city ship away from the Borg. Space is big, they can hide forever if they want to.
     
  5. Anwar

    Anwar Vice Admiral Admiral

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    There are hundreds of aliens in the Trek Galaxy alone that could annihilate the Borg. The writers were just pussies who didn't have the guts to show them.
     
  6. Tosk

    Tosk Vice Admiral Admiral

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    That'd be thousands, surely? The Borg species designations barely scrape into the five digit range.
     
  7. Vanyel

    Vanyel The Imperious Leader Premium Member

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    As far as we know, the lowest numbered species was Species 116, Arturis' species; and the highest was Species 10026 from Voyager's Dark Frontier. The Borg would seem to number species as they meet them. So they've meet at least 10,026 species. The Species designation may go into the low hundred thousands, but that is just pure speculation on my parts. In First Contact, the Queen says:

    So I think combining what she said along with the highest mentioned Species number, tens of thousands would be a good estimate of how many species are now Borg.
     
  8. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    How many more actual Borg are there?

    Thing with Borg, let's say they come across the race of similar population levels.. all they need to do is go assimilate a few more planets and BOOM they have more people. And of course not having to worry about quality of life, just how fast they can build cubes, is a plus.
     
  9. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Who were these two people who answered "dunno". Why have they got no opinion, don't they know that isn't allowed this is the internet goddamit.
     
  10. Lighthammer

    Lighthammer Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Based on what we've seen of the Voth, it seems as though the Voth have technology probably equivalent to what we've seen the Federation have in the 29th or 31st century (ball parking).

    I would guess the Voth surely don't out number the Borg in any capacity, heck, the species seems to live on a ship floating amongst the stars with no actual home planet (that they know of) but they surely seem to be able to out power the Borg.

    The Borg could, more then likely, mount an attack so massive against the Voth that they would widdle them down, but by the time they did, the causalities to the Borg may not be worth it, that is assuming they could corner them.

    We seem to get the impression the Voth have a stronger mastery of Transwarp then the Borg do.
     
  11. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Only Species 8472 have proven problematic for the Borg, all others are just awaiting the day of their assimilation...that is if the Collective deems them worthy--maybe the Borg assimilated a Voth and found them lacking in their pursuit for perfection.
     
  12. Infern0

    Infern0 Captain Captain

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    What we saw of the Voth leads me to belive they are a very powerful race.

    Personal Cloaking Devices
    Transwarp
    City Ships That can swallow an intrepid class whole and disable it effortlessly.

    I don't know how many ships the Voth have though, I would assume that in a battle the Borg wouldjust outlast them due to superior numbers

    1 on 1 I think a Voth ship could take out a cube though
     
  13. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I think the Borg superior numbers are hilarious. It's like the ultimate card up their sleeve even if they run into an unassimilatable species with more oomph. They just retreat, assimilate, and when they reach maximum swarm capacity to overtake that species they kick ass.
     
  14. Anwar

    Anwar Vice Admiral Admiral

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    What if the Borg piss off someone like the Organians, or the Douwd or the Pah-Wraiths?

    We saw for ourselves that the Borgs' power and numbers counted for absolutely nothing against the 8472 aliens.
     
  15. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    There's no evidence the Borg can assimilat non-corporeal life-forms, but it would be pretty cool to see.
     
  16. R. Star

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    I was one of them. Forbid I leave myself open minded about a race that only appears in one episode. ;)
     
  17. vulcan redshirt

    vulcan redshirt Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    As a race somewhat more advanced than the Federation combined tech level, it would make sense that the Voth would be of interest to the Borg, in respect to the fact that due to their tech level the Voth may be a potential threat to the Borg, even if the Borg already have all the Voth tech (or equivalent). Since the Borg go about assimilating whole races, not just a few notable individuals and some tech, it is surprising (possibly due to bad writing) that any highly advanced species exist in the DQ, for example Hirogen, Devore and 'The Hierarchy' and had not been wiped out.

    Given that the Voth had been in that area of space for so long, and had not formed a massive empire or colonial nation strikes as odd, unless of course, the Voth ship/ fleet was pretty much all that was left of them, after having been given a whipping by the Borg - and that the city ship was 'on the run'.
     
  18. publiusr

    publiusr Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Voth aren't afraid to build large vessels. The Doomsday Machine may actually be a simple vessel in some respects. A big civil war cannon can defeat 21st century body armor due to raw power. I think the Voth would get early victories, at least.
     
  19. Lt. Uhura-Brown

    Lt. Uhura-Brown Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Don't the Voth have personal phasing cloaks, and can transport entire starships at once?

    The Borg don't seem to have those things, so it's unlikely they've been successful in their assimilation attempts.
     
  20. Anwar

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    The Voth have superior Transwarp Drive to the Borg. The Borg need Conduit networks, the Voth don't.