Viper Mk III (mild B&C spoilers)

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Candlelight, Nov 18, 2012.

  1. Candlelight

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    http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Viper_Mark_III

    Introduced in Blood and Chrome. Very similar to the Mk II so I didn't spot it at first. The fuselage seems more bulky, the cockpit canopy seems more rounded and the wings slightly larger.

    Didn't think we'd see anything else but I thought this was a nice easter egg considering it'll probably be the last BSG we'll see for a while.

    Does raise the question why Mk IIs are still being used in Razor...
     
  2. bryce

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    It does seem to be a bit of a continuity error with both Razor and
    the pilot, since Adama was supposed to have flown a Mk. II
    durring the war...but in the pilot we saw the saw a Mk. II that
    Adama flew durring the war...yet in Razor was saw him ditch
    his viper on that planet at the end of the war...bailing out...so
    it seems like his viper was destroyed...
     
  3. bryce

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    Then again, in B&C Adama doesn't even have a viper. But anyway,
    the continuity about what Adama flew in the war already seemed
    a bit muddled before B&C...
     
  4. Candlelight

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    Depends what happened to the Viper. On the off chance it soft landed it might've been wrecked but intact.

    Could have been rebuilt by some Cylon War enthusiast then left on Sagittaron.
     
  5. Saturn0660

    Saturn0660 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Well, to be fair Voyager has shown time and time again that ANYTHING can be rebuilt.. :lol:
     
  6. Mister Fandango

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    Or, God forbid, he just be assigned a replacement.
     
  7. BenRoethig

    BenRoethig Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Bunch of possible reasons: attrition, airframe fatigue, not enough IIIs to go to all squadrons. Real world, we had two squadrons of A-7s still flying in the Gulf even though the Hornet had entered service 8 years early. More recently, Navy/Marine F/A-18 squadrons have switched from C models to A+ because the Alpha+ had more airframe life than the charlie stockpile. Plus, newer pilots tend to get older gear.
     
  8. Candlelight

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    Depends on how unique the tail numbers are. If they can be reassigned then it's a done deal.

    Adama was surprised someone found her in the mini series but not to the extent that 'last time I saw it I pretty much munted her'.
     
  9. cbspock

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    Adama also talked about flying a raptor as well on the series. I am sure he probably flew different Vipers, and they just happened to find one with a tail number he did happen to fly and that was the one they restored.


    -Chris
     
  10. cbspock

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    How do we know it is a MK3 Viper? Was it mentioned on screen? How do we know its not a MK2 variant.


    -Chris
     
  11. Saul

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    Maybe again the MKIIIs were too advanced and their computers were more susceptible to Cylon viruses. That's why they went back to the MKII. Think about the producer's idea behind this and Caprica. They lived in a more advanced time before nuBSG.
     
  12. Peacemaker

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    Yeah, that's the sense that I get as well. Leading up to the war, human technology was more advanced. During the war, they tried to keep up with the Cylons in order to fight them. After the war, having learned their lesson, they dialed it back, but then they became complacent and comfortable, so they began making advances again. The Cylons then took their opportunity and exploited it.
     
  13. Sindatur

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    I don't think it was so much "more advanced Technology" they dialed back on, it was Computer Networking they dialed back on (which in turn often caused them to have to abandon advances not supported by non-networked Tech). The Networking was the real problem, because it could be exploited by the Cylons
     
  14. Mr. Laser Beam

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    ^ That has always been my thought as well. IIRC, Adama ordered that all networking technology be stripped from the Galactica because of that very thing. They didn't completely roll back all technology.
     
  15. Saul

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    I think there was probably some fear over how technology had almost been (and finally was) their undoing and a regression to a less advanced era might have been the preference of the people of the colonies. By nuBSG's time they were starting to progress forward in technology again as the young forgot and people like Adama were considered to be stuck in the past with their fears.
     
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    Yeah, in the last episode of B&C the lady commander refered to them as the "new mark 3's"

    Oh, and I checked, and the tail number on the Mk. II Viper that Adama crashed in the Razor minisodes did not have the same tail number as the Mk. II Viper he said in the pilot that he flew during the war, which was 7242NC:
    http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Viper_7242

    The question I had was that Adama said in the pilot that the restored for him, 7242NC was the Viper he "flew during the war"...but the Viper he crashed in the Razer flashbacks was a different one - and (if it had been 7242NC - which it wasn't anwyay) he bailed out of that Viper at a pretty high altitude...likely it was flattened beyond repair on impact. And those flashbacks took place at the very, very end of the war - in fact, shortly after Adama crashed that Viper, the Cylon's surrendered - so there was no more time in the war left for him to be reassigned another Viper and fly it during the war.

    But I dunno...maybe he flew 7242NC during the war for a long time...but for some reason he was in a different Viper in the Razor flashbacks...maybe 7242NC was damaged and during that battle he flew a different Viper.

    What's weird about B&C is that so far we've *only* seen MK. III's...and I'll bet if Adam is given a Viper in (or at the end of) B&C it will be a Mk. III...(in fact there's a scence in the trailer for B&C that looks like that's exactly what happens...)

    It's just not very consistent. But then again, liek I said, there have been some inconsistancies before about what Viper Adama flew during the war, so...

    (But at least the makers of B&C remembered that Adama said that he flew a Raptor too during the war...)
     
  17. Candlelight

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    As someone mentioned, they will likely have mk 2s and 3s on Galactica, so will probably be given 'that' viper at the end of B & C.
     
  18. DanCPA

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    well, I doubt he will be assigned another raptor!
     
  19. Candlelight

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    You never know, if Razor truly was his first proper combat mission then he's probably gonna get his viper but not be able to use it for two more years! :)
     
  20. USS KG5

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    Good examples.

    Something slightly older - look at Spitfires. By 1944 squadrons were re-equipping with the Griffon engined Mk XIV, but until the end of the war the older Mk IX was still considered a very good fighter. In fact many Mk Vs continued in secondary roles on the front line.

    Or for the Americans, the P-51, where P-51B and P-51D variants, despite fairly significant differences, stayed in service until VE-Day, and the later K model as well.

    So, especially considering the nature of the war, Mk II and Mk III Vipers probably served alongside each other, Galactica is very new in B&C so probably left dock with a wing of new fighters on board. The majority of the fleet would continue to use Mk IIs, or even Mk Is.
     

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