Uss achilles from Voyager Fleet??

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by GalaxyClass1701, Sep 6, 2012.

  1. GalaxyClass1701

    GalaxyClass1701 Captain Captain

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    How do you picture this ship and has anyone done a sketch?

    I picture a wedge shaped sauce like Prometheus with basically a large boxy cargo container as they rest of the ship with under slung warp nacelles.
     
  2. NrobbieC

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    sounds like you're describing this
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  3. GalaxyClass1701

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    It has to be big enough to fit a Vesta class vessel inside so I picture the star drive being more like a cargo container.
     
  4. Scout101

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    I'm stuck with it essentially looking like the Achilles class from the Dominion Wars game, and then just scaled to match the massive description...

    We'll see if we can get more pictures of ships in the fleet while there still IS a fleet!
     
  5. Mage

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    It was never suggested that a Vesta could fit inside I believe.
     
  6. Christopher

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    ^That's right; Quirinal was repaired on the surface of a planet.
     
  7. Mage

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    Exactly. If memory serves, CotS states in the Appendice somewhere that Achilles was just over 900 meters or so... if I recall correctly. With a Vesta about the same length as a Sovereign, the Achilles would need to be over 1500 meters if it could not only fit in a Vesta, but also house crew and equipment needed to service and repair a ship. Not to mention everything needed just to operate and maintain the Achilles herself, like warpdrive, fusion reactors, crewquarters, stuff like that....

    *EDIT*
    Just checked on Memory Beta: http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Mulciber_class

    960 meters long. There's no way the ship is big enough to house a Vesta class inside.
     
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    It wasn't in either of the appendices but it may've been in the text. You're right though, there's no way it was that long.

    - Byron
     
  9. Methos

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    A ship big enough to fit a Vesta inside... i'd have remembered that lol

    Vesta is 672 meters long, 195 meters wide, and 88 meters tall... any ship that could hold a Vesta in it's cargo bay would be about 3 to 4 times the size of a Soverign class, and would be a true 'dreadnaught' in Star Trek...

    You're talking about a ship that would be about half the size of a Borg cube length, 3,040 meters, and i'm pretty sure there isn't a ship in Starfleet that can boast that lol

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  10. Markonian

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  11. Mage

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    Actually makes sense in a way. Not a big fan of the STO ships, but this one's kinda cool.
     
  12. Markonian

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    Size and shape fit the decription given in CotS: Fused neck, elongated hull, upswept pylons with massive nacelles.
    Until Mark Rademaker has designed the Achilles, I picture is as Avenger-class. :bolian:
     
  13. Christopher

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    ^What's an Avenger class? That used to be the fan name for the Reliant type, what TNG ultimately dubbed the Miranda class, but it certainly doesn't fit the description there.
     
  14. craig keith

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    I believe the avenger class is from STO but not 100% sure
     
  15. Mage

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    It's one of the ships in the link a few posts above yours. One of the starcruisers from STO appereantly. It fits the description of Achilles somewhat.
     
  16. NrobbieC

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    I prefer the Emissary variant to the Avenger personally.
     
  17. Karnbeln

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    I picture something much more industrial than we usually see from the Federation - basically a factory in space. It's overall configuration would be a long box. The ship would be as wide as it could be while still reasonably being able to generate a slipstream corridor, and it would be about 4/5ths as tall. It would then be rather long to compensate for it its necessary volume, perhaps 6 times as long as it is tall. The port and starboard sides would be rounded into arcs, as if it was designed to just barely fit in the corridor (kind of like a Puddle Jumper in Stargate Atlantis). The warp nacelles would be on the top and bottom of the ship, hugging relatively close so as to fit within the circumference of the circle that would be formed by the sides of the ship if the arcs were to be extended to a full 360 degrees. The top and bottom hulls of Achilles contain large, square doors that would open to reveal empty space where the industrial replicators could create large parts for the ships, such as hull plating or even nacelles (when I originally pictured it I thought they might be large enough for a single ship to squeeze in, like a moving space dock, but Mage's comment upthread regarding it not being big enough to fit a ship inside it debunks that). One of these ports could also house the fighters.

    Overall what appears in my head would fit visually more with the Stargate universe than the Star Trek universe, but then again Achilles isn't exactly a traditional Federation vessel - I figure a more industrial look, prettied up in Federation colors, is perfectly plausible (though I'm sure there is some description of Achilles that contradicts everything I've imagined, beyond even the aforementioned dimensions).
     
  18. tomswift2002

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    I would think that a "boxed-shaped" vessel might pose some problems in terms of speed. Sure there's no wind in space, but look at a transport truck versus a car on the road. A tractor trailer isn't as aerodynamic as a car, and to counter for that they even put that slope attachment on the top of the cab to try to counter the wind against the truck. I would think Starfleet would need something that was more aerodynamic than just a big box.

    But for something to house a Vesta you'd need something like that giant Enterprise from the DS9 Millenium trilogy.
     
  19. Christopher

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    But there's no air in space either, so aerodynamics is irrelevant. In vacuum, a box shape will travel just as well as a dart shape. The interplanetary or interstellar medium is far too tenuous to generate any kind of drag due to friction (although its interaction with the magnetic fields of the nacelles' Bussard collectors would create drag).
     
  20. tomswift2002

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    But they would need something a lot more aerodynamic than a big box to fly in a slipstream tunnel! So far the oldest class that we've seen retrofitted with slipstream has been the Intrepid's. Not even the Sovereign-class ships, even with their oblong saucers and sleek engineering sections, have slip-stream capabilities. Obviously the Enterprise-E doesn't have the same aerodynamics as a Voyager (not too mention, but it seems that after Generations, Starfleet has kind of taken the approach of designing new ships with the ability, either together or seperate, too be operate in planetary atmosphere's and even survive a lot better than the Enterprise-D's saucer in an emergency).