Tuvix - dumbest character in star trek history?

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  1. MacLeod

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    People who have a social anxiety can be highly confident in areas in which they are comfortable. It's when they are outside their confident zone that their anxity comes to the fore.

    Does it really matter if he finds social situtations uncomfortable, if he is able to perform his job?
     
  2. Guy Gardener

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    His job is not to go to a bar, and not be seduced by a sexy surgically altered Romulan spy.

    He'd hand over the keys to the Federation for half a blow job.
     
  3. Fruitcake

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    At least Archer, for all his blocked up issues, got suspicious and pulled the plug on the Chinese crested lady without giving up any info.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    2 Nights, 2 days?

    His choices were, route the spy, or read a 6 thousand page biography on Surak.

    Considering how little he knew about the guy in season 4... Methinks he didn't get past the forward on T'Pol's present.

    Or are you talking about Rajiin?
     
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    Two days and two nights. Chinese crested was the dog breed. They are the rambutans of dogs, every time they need an alien dog they get a chinese crested. And yes in the Surak arc they should have had T'Pol turn to him at some point and say, "You didn't read the book, did you." And then Archer would look sheepish and all the A/T people would think this was sweet and everyone else would think not knowing anything about the central figure in Vulcan history and culture just made him look like an idiot.
     
  6. Guy Gardener

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    Had a novel thought about Tuvix's plight.

    He couldn't run away because they would chase him, and he couldn't stay because they would kill him.

    I mean sure, he could try to take over the ship.

    Tuvix vs 140 (mostly)Starfleet officers?

    or...

    He cold have "killed" the Doctor.

    Erased his program, which is ostensibly the medical database.

    It was certainly selfdefence, a "him or me" situation.

    And if Janeway could kill one person to save two, then it must be morally sound to kill a hologram to save an actual real person, the same way it's totally ethical to put a GI Joe doll in the microwave if it will (magically) save you from stomach cancer.

    Look how easily the Doctor killed his Equinoix counterpart in Equinox part 2?

    Tuvix was 2nd Officer.

    He totally had clearance and authority to delete the Doctor.

    And after he stood there in the vacuum created by that obnoxious personality had blinked out forever... What were the legal repercussions?

    Vandalism?

    Sabotage?

    That's nothing.

    Seriously without an EMH, Tuvix was the only one with smarts enough, other than kes, who could study up to be a doctor fast enough to be of any use to the ship.

    I can't believe it took me 16 years to come up with this.
     
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    I feel like they wouldn't let that go. Like, now he's killed the doctor, do we really want him treating people? Probably would add more fuel to the fire, not only are two lives at stake, but he's a definite danger.

    Was he really second officer? I mean I know he had Tuvok's rank and he was chief of security, but you'd think they wouldn't put a transporter accident that high up...
     
  8. Fruitcake

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    It was completely stupid they let him at the controls on the bridge. They should not have just continued to trust him. If he's a whole new person then he's a whole new person that needs to earn people's trust, maybe pass a few exams to make sure a chunk of starfleet training didn't get lost in Neelix's recipe index.

    As to killing the EMH, that might have happened if it had gone on a few more weeks. I think he would have outgrown his Neelix insecurities and possibly become ruthless, but he was kind of an embryonic personality still when they came for him.
     
  9. Guy Gardener

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    The writers decided that a month was long enough for Tuvix to develop as a fully grown person in the eyes of the crew.

    Oh.

    A Briefing with Tuvix?

    And what about reruns if that sucker is syndicated?

    You tune in to the "a briefing with Neelix" channel every now and then set to random and there's Tuvix thanking the crew for welcoming him into their hearts.

    "Awkward."
     
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    Would Tuvix continue Neelix's little morning talk show?


    :)
     
  11. Fruitcake

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    I reckon he'd try and turn it into a Dr. Phil style show.

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    "I have the wisdom and experiences of two men!"

    He'd have a very hard time finding guests. Maybe he'd book the Delaney sisters and try and shmooze them about how he really understands twins because he's two people too. He'd say a lot of inappropriate things thinking he was being charming. It would be a fabulous train wreck but since Starfleet doesn't do that kind of humor, a short lived one.
     
  12. Guy Gardener

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    kes was supposed to be as in love with him now, during the Tuvix escapade, as she was in love with half of him the week before.

    Considering what was said in Warlord about Tuvok and Kes, it seems possible that if Tuvok loved Kes as much or more than Neelix, then that Tuvix loved Kes three or four times as much as Neelix.
     
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    Eeeurgh. He's got the creepiest smile.
     
  14. Fruitcake

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    Only now the age difference is even creepier.

    UNLESS. You count Tuvix as being as old as his creation, then Kes gets to be the older woman. That does sound like the kind of line Tuvix would pull out of his ass, all the while beaming away like a maniac.
     
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    You don't want to hold his hand and tell him all your troubles?

    THE EXPERIENCE AND WILL AND LIFE OF TWO MEN!

    I just think the "I have the will to live of two men!" line is hilarious because it did him no good at all.
     
  16. Guy Gardener

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    There were two Wills on TNG and neither of them wanted to run away and have a life with with Dee.

    I'm sensing a pattern.
     
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    All that arguing between them was about how much they only wanted each other. Anyone who spends five minutes studying Riker knows this.
     
  18. Guy Gardener

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    2 weeks of Imazadi, and he runs because his career is more important.

    10 years later, his transporter Clone after being stranded on a volcanic planet alone for 8 years, a week is all he can take of the Imzadi reup before he runs off because his career was more important.

    (I forget, was the line "Are you still tapping that?" in the episode or a dream I had?)

    He left her twice.

    And the Will that didn't go to Cardassian jail, ignored her for 16 years until a magic vigra planet tricked them into having a bath together.

    They never would have hooked up if it hadn't been for the magic Viagra planet.
     
  19. Fruitcake

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    Imzadi is the worst Trek book I ever read. I literally threw it across the room.

    Anyway.. she doesn't even seem to hold much of a torch for him in TNG. Was this just one of those "if we don't marry by X age we will settle for each other" deals?

    I'll admit though that the Worf romance with Troi was even stupider.
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    Magic Viagra Planet.

    They both had plenty of relationships on the Enterprise D, Tom Riker asked Will for permission, and Worf asked Will for permission, although apart from that, they both seemed like completely free agents.

    Wasn't there a moment where Dee laid down the law that Lwaxanna was not allowed her sloppy seconds?