TTN: Fallen Gods by Michael A. Martin Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Sho, Jul 21, 2012.

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Rate Fallen Gods.

  1. Outstanding

    2 vote(s)
    2.2%
  2. Above Average

    15 vote(s)
    16.5%
  3. Average

    40 vote(s)
    44.0%
  4. Below Average

    23 vote(s)
    25.3%
  5. Poor

    11 vote(s)
    12.1%
  1. JWolf

    JWolf Commodore Commodore

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    A lot of the writing is disjointed. You get writing that makes little sense in the way it's phrased. Also, Martin is using a lot of big words to show off his vocabulary when shorter simpler words would do. There are sentences that read odd and drop you out of the story to go WTF. Also, some of the characters seem to be going backwards in character development. Things we should have gotten past are still issue(s) for them.

    I've not yet finished and am a little over half done. But I'm not expecting the writing to get much better if it does get any better.
     
  2. Kertrats47

    Kertrats47 Commodore Commodore

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    This was one of the biggest issues for me. The whole thing with Xin still broken up about the Luna seemed really out of place. I can understand him not yet being over it, as it was a pretty big deal, but his whining about it again had no place in this novel. It didn't really relate to what was going on to any significant degree. I would love it if this particular bit of his character were either dropped or advanced in some way. I'm getting tired of the holding pattern, and the situation simply being mentioned whenever the author feels the prose isn't angsty enough.
     
  3. starri

    starri Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Is is harsh of me to say that if the next TTN outing is a solo Martin project, I'm just going to skip it?

    TrekLit is my leisure reading, and if I have a spare afternoon to kill, I will often read through a favorite novel, but frankly, I have no desire to ever pick up Seize the Fire or Fallen Gods ever again. Contrast to, say, just about all the VGD books, which I've read at least three times, if not more.
     
  4. Markonian

    Markonian Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Re: TTN: Fallen Gods

    Titan is my favourite TrekLit series. I liked that several crewmembers got decent screen time.

    The Luna-issue from Ra-Havreii also struck me as odd - I had hoped he was over it by now.

    I liked the Andorian ship, her commander not so much. He was the villain but had no likeable qualities. Pava and her six colleagues redeemed the Andorians in my eyes somewhat. I found the species substantially less likeable after Typhon Pact.

    I'm also waiting when the Andorians finally join the Typhon Pact and the Talarians the Khitomer Alliance.
     
  5. Ronald Held

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    about half way through. Andor has only a few military vessels, and sent one that far out to collect 7 Andorians from Titan?
     
  6. Sci

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    That's what Commander Zhrar claimed, but we don't actually know this. Really, we have no idea who he's working for, and only his word to back up his assertion that he's working for the Andorian government. We won't really know what's going on until the next book.
     
  7. Markonian

    Markonian Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    By the way, do we have a clue which upcoming book will deal with the Andorians again?
     
  8. Snaploud

    Snaploud Admiral Admiral

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    It's possible that these Andorians were chosen for their familiarity with a slipstream-capable starship. It also makes sense from a tactical perspective to target a vessel isolated from starfleet support.
     
  9. Sci

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    Well, considering that Fallen Gods ends on a cliffhanger, I think it's safe to say that the next Titan novel will focus on them...
     
  10. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    Unless something big has changed since I last looked, Titan isn't slipstream-capable.
     
  11. DEWLine

    DEWLine Commodore Commodore

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    Smelling subspace shortcuts in play here...
     
  12. MatthiasRussell

    MatthiasRussell Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I thought that the IDW comics didn't fit into the novel continuity. If the Alien Spotlight comics shed light on this continuity and even fit into it, why doesn't Countdown?
     
  13. Sho

    Sho Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    ^ Because in this case, the novels chose to acknowledge the comic explicitly?
     
  14. Markonian

    Markonian Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Firstly, the novels are not yet up to speed - the events of Countdown are still several years away.

    Secondly, some novels include references that seem to prepare for Countdown, e.g.
    - reunification of RSE
    - La Forge is a Commander again.
    - Worf's mishap during the Dominion War will no longer prevent his promotion (Picard weighed in).
    - Picard considers retirement and ambassadorship to Vulcan.
     
  15. Christopher

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    Because IDW's comics do not represent a single continuity. Some of them contradict each other; for instance, D. C. Fontana's Year Four: The Enterprise Experiment and John Byrne's Romulans miniseries present contradictory depictions of elements of the late 5-year-mission era. So it has to be treated case-by-case. Some of the Alien Spotlight comics fit the novel continuity or have been referenced by it, but a few conflict with it.
     
  16. JWolf

    JWolf Commodore Commodore

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    I'd like to know who voted outstanding and why.
     
  17. Markonian

    Markonian Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It wasn't me - I swear!

    But: maybe the voter is a big Titan fan (like me). Usually, I don't realize the problems of a novel until I study the other readers' opinions posted in such threads like these. Then I think: "I didn't notice (or couldn't put my finger on it), but now that I know, its glaringly obvious."
     
  18. Sho

    Sho Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Considering how firmly it's placing last in the ranking now, it does stand out I suppose. That's the problem with relative poll option labels :D.

    Seriously though, the board software gives poll creators the option to make voter's names public, but when I open these threads I don't tick that box to avoid peer pressure effect.
     
  19. MatthiasRussell

    MatthiasRussell Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yes, but several individuals have stated that they don't want the events of Countdown (including Data's resurrection/awakening) to happen in this continuity. Some have said Countdown won't fall into this continuity.

    I do agree that that the potential career for Picard as a diplomat to Vulcan does show a possible progression to the state presented in Countdown.


    Christopher, your explantion makes sense. So what IDW comics would you say have been included as part of the novel continuity or at least could fit into it?


    Lastly, Amazon reviews of Fallen Gods shows five 3/5 stars and two 1/5. So not much love there. The reviews here are making an interesting bell curve.
     
  20. Corran Horn

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    Yeah, this storyline is kind of a head-scratcher to me in its present state. That may be by design though, since I assume there's more to come.

    If Zhrar did what he did to simply have more Andorians to bring back, why bother with the ones all the way out on Titan? My only other guess was that it was for intelligence reasons, but even still there had to be more accessible Andorians in Starfleet that they could've gotten. I guess we'll find out eventually.
     

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