TP: Raise the Dawn by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Sho, Jun 17, 2012.

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Rate Raise the Dawn.

  1. Outstanding

    83 vote(s)
    70.3%
  2. Above Average

    25 vote(s)
    21.2%
  3. Average

    3 vote(s)
    2.5%
  4. Below Average

    3 vote(s)
    2.5%
  5. Poor

    4 vote(s)
    3.4%
  1. sherbertpi9

    sherbertpi9 Ensign Newbie

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    Yes I checked Memory Beta, and wasnt particularly taken with any of those choices. I wouldnt have minded Excelsior, but not with that pedigree.
    Maybe a smaller, mid-size cruiser like Norway or Steamrunner, dont seem to see those classes much in Trek-lit.
    DRG, any thoughts?
     
  2. Defcon

    Defcon Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    If you want his opinion, you'll have to contact him directly (for example on his Facebook). He left the TrekBBS some time ago for what he perceived as an overly negative attitude here.
     
  3. Sho

    Sho Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    And I'm still pissed at you all for driving him away before I got a chance to "meet" him :p.
     
  4. MatthiasRussell

    MatthiasRussell Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    DRG III appears to still visit the startrek.com forums. I recall him commenting there about Plagues of Night.
     
  5. Ronald Held

    Ronald Held Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I just finished. It appears that Sela will have no chance to become praetor as in STO.
    Not certain whether Kira will or should come back, she might be happy to reside in the presence of the Prophets.
     
  6. JWolf

    JWolf Commodore Commodore

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    Re: Typhon Pact: Raise the Dawn by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

    I think now is the time for every single person on TrekBBS who poo-pooed DRG3, insulted him, annoyed him, said bad things about his work and so forth to go find out the best way you can to get down on your knees and grovel in front of him so hopefully he will com back here. ALL OF YOU WERE WRONG! So suck it up, admit it, grovel and whatever you have to do to prove you were wrong and get DRG3 back here.
     
  7. Mage

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    Re: Typhon Pact: Raise the Dawn by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)


    If only.... I'm afraid some will still have their complaints, either because of RBoE, or because of the events on RtD.
    Sadly, the biggest reasons that three people voted poor was only because of the station itself. They won't judge on plot, not on dialogue, not on character development, not on any of the criteria you use to judge a book. They will only think "OMFG, he dared to do that?? This book is evil and MUST be voted poor, no matter how well written it was, it has a suckz!!!" and more intelligent comments like that.

    Like DRGIII has stated on other media, he is fine with people not liking his work. So if he's fine, who am I to comment on people who don't like his work? And normally, I wouldn't. But I find it so unfair that these people refuse to judge by the criteria I noted above.

    If people thought the book was poor because of any of those reasons, they have formed an opinion that (personally) makes sense.
    But thinking DRGIII is evil because of what happened to Sisko, or the station, or Kira... I just hope people can see beyond that.
     
  8. Thrawn

    Thrawn Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I think this has been, potentially, the most relentlessly positive review thread for a new book in years. I suspect if he hadn't left over RBOE that he wouldn't be leaving now.
     
  9. JWolf

    JWolf Commodore Commodore

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    I agree. But the way he was treated when the story wasn't even finished was shameful.
     
  10. JWolf

    JWolf Commodore Commodore

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    I finished Raise the Dawn and I am drained. It was that good. One of those books you need a nap after because it drains one so. It was that good.
     
  11. Thrawn

    Thrawn Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Yes, it was. It's been a couple weeks since I finished it, and I'm still thinking about it.
     
  12. Ronald Held

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    It would be nice if he would return and see if he gets a much better reception
     
  13. JWolf

    JWolf Commodore Commodore

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    But would you return given how poorly treated he was? People jumped on him and said things that weren't even true. They made out like he just did something so very awful. It wasn't nice and would like to have DRG3 back, I cannot blame him for not being here.

    I don't see anyone who said these sorts of things bending over backwards to apologize. If I start a thread for the apologies, I don't think many would do it.
     
  14. Defcon

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    Thing is, I just reread the RBOE review thread where he announced his departure (here and here), and I couldn't really find anything like what you describe. There were negative comments, sure, but you make it sound as if he was jumped by an angry mob and beaten into a bloody pulp. :cardie:

    About this novel: definitely the strongest of DRG III's Typhon Pact novels. Still not agree with the direction DRGIII choose to take Sikso, but like I said in my Rough Beasts of Empire review last year, I concede that it is a possible one based on prior character developments, just not the one I would have taken. Anyway, the story was well written and most of the characterization were very good, so I voted above average.
     
  15. Enterpriserules

    Enterpriserules Commodore Commodore

    Wow, this is really getting a good reception! Hope to see DS9 shine like this more often!
     
  16. Sci

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    He didn't do it because of that one thread. It was his opinion that the TrekLit board had in general becoming a more and more negative place over a long period of time.
     
  17. Defcon

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    I know that and even pointed that out recently in a thread here, but our friend JWolf here made it sound like DRG III was verbally "abused" for RBOE and that was the reason for his departure , where that was definitely not the case, so posts like the one above get on my nerves.
     
  18. JWolf

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    When someone abuses your work, that is akin to abusing you too.
     
  19. JWD75

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    Great book. I've been in love with Terok Nor since DS9 first premiered and I've always been vehemently the idea of destroying it. So it was with some reluctance that I picked up and read PoN and RtD. But I'm glad I did because the books won me over and I really enjoyed them. I'm looking forward to seeing more of the new station and for the first time in years I'm happy with the direction that DS9 has taken.
     
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  20. DigificWriter

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    Man, I wish DRGIII still posted here, because I'd like to personally thank him and commend him for writing one of the best Trek Lit novels I've ever read.

    For better or worse, the Destiny trilogy, Kirsten Beyer's Full Circle (not to mention her subsequent Voyager books) and the previous books that were released under the Typhon Pact banner really raised the bar in terms of the scope of storytelling in Trek Lit, and Raise the Dawn fits right into that mold. The book's scale and scope wasn't as far-reaching or all-encompassing as the Destiny trilogy or Full Circle, but, like its predecessor Plagues of Night, it certainly didn't shy away from covering a ton of material in a relatively short span of time.

    I was saddened to see the destruction of the old DS9, but, for me, what made that series great - both onscreen and off - was the characters more than the setting, and so I wasn't terribly upset at the decision to destroy the station. I was saddened by the death of Jeanette Chao, though, because I liked what DRGIII did with her in Plagues of Night and was looking forward to seeing more of her in the future, but that's really neither here nor there.

    Kira and Vaughn's deaths were more saddening for me than the destruction of the station itself, but the way DRGIII handled things on that front was incredibly satisfying nonetheless, not to mention really interesting (especially since I don't believe I ever saw the episode which spawned the 'alt history' dream/vision sequences that were a fairly big part of Kira's arc in this book and played a substantial part in Plagues of Night and S.D. Perry's Unity).

    I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens with DS9 and her crew going forward, especially since I'm interested to see if Sisko and his ship and crew continue to be featured prominently, and what specific roles Odo and Nog will play. I can't really envision both the Chief Engineer and Assistant Chief Engineer being featured prominently in subsequent stories, which leads me to wonder if we won't see Nog join Prynn as being permanently assigned to the Defiant.

    Not only did the book really set the table incredibly well for future DS9 stories, it also, IMO, set the table pretty well for a buildup to the events of 2387 as seen in J.J. Abrams' Star Trek. I love Praetor Kammemor, and cannot wait to see what happens next with her government.

    As an aside, did anyone else find it interesting that the book didn't feature an Acknowledgements section? I can't remember many Trek books that lacked one.

    I closing, I've got to say that, if you haven't already picked up this book and its predecessor, do so now, because it's excellent with a capitol 'E'.
     

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