TOS Door Colors

Discussion in 'Trek Tech' started by Albertese, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. Robert Comsol

    Robert Comsol Commodore Commodore

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    Now that you mention it, I seem to remember the same. Was that "Day of the Dove" where they take Johnson to Sickbay after he had been mortally wounded. :confused:

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  2. Robert Comsol

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    Hmm...that doesn't answer the question if there is one that identifies Sickbay being on Deck 7. :devil:

    Sorry, you got me confused. I go by stardate and production order and Mudd's Women and The Enemy Within (Kirk's quarters have windows) seem to place Kirk's provisional quarters on Deck 12.
    Later comes What Are Little Girls Made Of? where we have that odd "in-wall" turbo lift. By that time Kirk has possibly moved to quarters on Deck 5 but these are not yet his regular ones from Season Two and Three (without the adjacent bathroom - maybe that's the reason he tried to keep the provisional quarters as long as possible). :D

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  3. blssdwlf

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    When they take him to sickbay after escaping/fighting their way out of the room the shot in the turbolift is aimed down where the travel direction is not in view. You can't really tell which way they went - unless you guys are thinking of another scene?
     
  4. Mytran

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    Then no - Sickbay is never identified as being on Deck 7, sorry!

    Sorry, you got me confused...[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, I was trying to type fast as I was in work. I also run by Production Number, since it is the only real way to track the on-set changes. OK, here goes:

    OK, so I was a bit excessive in saying this was Kirk's third cabin. But I was missing my vital notebook! :)

    The next real appearance is in Conscience, which really could be anywhere (although conveniently near a "pressure vent disposal" shute).

    In Season 2 Amok Time features the cabin from the inside, but it's not until Mirror Mirror that we get verbal confirmation of its location - "Deck 5" according to Evilchekov. And this must be a new location, as it features a new corridor alongside the bedroom door (a feature of many season 2 sets). This may or may not be the same cabin that we see in the beginning of Babel.

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    I could go on, but I think I've strayed enough already!!!
     
  5. blssdwlf

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    Good research, Mytran!
     
  6. Robert Comsol

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    Your observation is impeccable but in that scene from "Day of the Dove" the turbo lift ride from sickbay to the bridge is so short (must be a warp express turbo lift ;)) that compared to "Amok Time" (bridge to deck 5) it becomes increasingly difficult to rationalize that they first went down to sickbay and then Kirk went up to the bridge alone.

    Another thing is that the Klingons control "deck 6 and starboard deck 7" (sickbay on the port side exclusively?) while the 38 remaining Enterprise crew members "control all decks above". This episode is confusing. Later on the Klingons have taken "engineering section" but it doesn't seem to be on deck 6 as Mara is sent to number 6 deck to cripple "life-support" (IRL wouldn't she say something like "at the other side of this deck?")
    :confused:

    Bob

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    I do enjoy your straying unless Albertese feels that we should return to the original theme of this thread.
     
  7. Timo

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    Differences in turbolift travel times could all be chalked up to congestion in the shafts, and the possible use of alternate routes to deal with such congestion... There could (and probably should) be at least two routes to choose from basically everywhere in the ship, perhaps even including the connecting neck.

    What do we make of the "Turbolift 7" signs?

    - Simply the ID number of this particular turbolift stop, moved from stop to stop as the show progresses?
    - The number of a specific turboshaft, displayed at all stops along the shaft, and helping tell the user where this lift might go and where it might not?
    - The number of a turbolift "line", meaning lifts from this location go along the standard route known as "7" unless otherwise instructed?
    - The maximum capacity of lifts stopping here, in number of passengers?
    - Not a sign at all, but rather an aesthetically pleasing display showing how many lift cabs are currently serving this stop, or how long till the next scheduled one?
    - Sign establishing that this turbolift stop is on Deck 7, disregarding all contrary hints?

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  8. Robert Comsol

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    Difficult to answer, maybe we should first try to determine how many different turbo lift numbers did exist in TOS (right now I can't think of more than 2, 3 and 7).

    My pet theory (for the moment) is that it tells the passenger that turbo lift 7 could make stops at 7 different locations or deck levels.
    "Mudd's Women" walk counter-clockwise to turbo lift 7, exit on deck 12 and continue to walk counter-clockwise to Kirk's quarters (a few counter-clockwise steps forward and they arrive at another turbo lift 7 (used by Kirk and Spock in "The Enemy Within").
    If that were the same turboshaft # 7 their movement would have most likely been different.

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  9. Mytran

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    When do we ever see signs for anything other than "Turbolift 7"? I haven't made an exhaustive structinization of TOS, but it always seemed that "7" was the only number used? I suppose it could pass for a "2" in a fuzzy shot.

    My thoughts on the "Turbolift 7" debacle? It's a model number. These are the latest turbolifts in Starfleet, fully voice controlled and the fastest yet! Look out Turbolift 6, here comes TURBOLIFT 7!!!!
     
  10. throwback

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    Here is an image from the episode "The Man Trap" where we have a sign for Turbo Lift 2.

    http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x01-2-hd/themantraphd335.jpg

    In this image, we see the sign for the Astro-Medical Ward. Look to the right of the security guards. According to dialog, they are on deck five, section three.

    http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x01-2-hd/themantraphd654.jpg

    And, according to dialog and the signs in the corridors seen in "Day of the Dove", Officer's Quarters are located on deck six.
     
  11. Mytran

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    Ah, thanks for that! I had a feeling I'd seen a "2" here and there but I wasn't sure we ever saw a clear shot.

    I think the only "Astro Medicine" sign we ever saw was for "Ward 4", created for the 2nd pilot and featured in quite a few publicity shots, such as:

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    (I think there's one of Dr Dehner out there somewhere too)
     
  12. blssdwlf

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    Keep in mind if the crew lounge was on Deck 6, they would've had to go up to Deck 5 to get to sickbay. Then it would be a short hop up for Kirk to the bridge. As to turbolift travel times, that is variable, depending on congestion. I suspect it was extra fast that time for Kirk because everyone else got trapped in their areas :)
     
  13. Timo

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    Regarding that "3F 127" sign there, later recycled for McCoy's cabin... Did we ever have dialogue that would have directly contradicted the idea that either the first or the second digit in such signage indicates the deck? That is, that McCoy lived on Deck 3=C (like Spock in ST2) or Deck F=6?

    Hmm. What dialog, exactly?

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  14. Mytran

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    I use turboshaft congestion to explain away the inconsistent travel times throughout the show. The only times we can expect to get get a true idea of how long a clear ride should be is when the ship is totally empty:

    By Any Other Name
    Ultimate Computer
    Day of the Dove
    Mark of Gideon
     
  15. Albertese

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    Hey, thanks for your concern, but I gotta say that this all fascinating. And I think it's related enough to what I was wondering about the doors to be relevant.

    Carry on!

    --Alex
     
  16. BK613

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    idle speculation without much investigation but could the color be related to the level of protection the door might provide (airtight, radiation-proof, etc.)? also could relate to SF's equivalent of material conditions of readiness
     
  17. Timo

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    ...And even then, the computer might follow cues from the user: the harder Kirk twists the throttle, the faster the lift goes! Within traffic rules if there's traffic, of course.

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  18. TIN_MAN

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    This is has always been my interpretation, the "handle' is just a throttle, and the T/L would still work by voice activation, whether or not one twisted the handle?
     
  19. Ronald Held

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    Why shouldn't Kirk get express service by virtue of the fact that he is the Captain?
     
  20. Robert Comsol

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    And given our research in Peter Chung's thread, we can assume it's this door on the right: http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd-alt/wherenomanhasgonebeforehdalt0067.jpg

    Another time is in "Way to Eden", just the recycled "Ward 4", again: http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x20hd/thewaytoedenhd0539.jpg

    I can't say that Throwback's observation (Medical Ward on deck 5 in "Man Trap") is an argument to locate Sickbay on deck 7 and it gets worse. According to The Making of Star Trek the intention had been to locate the "Computer Systems" on deck 7 and deck 8. According to "Journey to Babel" they're right across from Kirk's cabin on deck 5: http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x10hd/journeytobabelhd0017.jpg

    Bob