Third season episodes that have the quality of the first two seaons

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  1. Forbin

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    I very much love the music for "Is There in Truth..."
     
  2. Foxhot

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    Excellent comparison. I'd say you're quite right, especially in SPECTRE's case, but did Uhura and Scotty have their traditional 2nd year hairlines in these eps, or were they high-foreheaded in TROYIUS and BATTLEFIELD too? In Uhura's case, I think she was 2nd-season-haired. But I'm only 75 percent sure about it.
     
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    I'd love to see this exact same question asked about TNG. I think the results would be... illuminating. ;)
     
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    I like the lists you came up with. Although I think Spock's Brain gets a bad rap. I don't think it's the worst episode, I think that distinction belongs to Alternative Factor and runner up is And The Children Shall Lead.


    I think my favorites are almost up to Season 1 or at least end of Season 2 standards.

    Enterprise Incident
    Tholian Web
    Paradise Syndrome
    For the World Is Hollow, and I have touched the sky
    Elaan of Troyius
    Day of the Dove
    Let This Be Your Last Battlefield (come on it gave us the classic destruct sequence later used in Trek 3)

    Spectre of the Gun - I think they used the budget to good effect.

    Way to Eden - and you are HERBERT if you don't like this one We reach? :p

    That Which Survives - is a fun episode
    All Our Yesterdays - witch!!!

    I would add poor story quality to Plato's Stepchildren. It's just a hard episode to watch with Kirk as a horse.


    For whatever reason they also changed some of the soundeffects of the buttons, the lighting wasn't as good, it was just flat. The music also stands out as being different from the first 2 seasons. They also re-recorded some of the s1 and s2 music for season 3 so even the "tracked" music sounded a bit different. Although, I really liked the music in Paradise Syndrome, Is There In Truth, Elaan of Troyius and the Tholian Web.

    -Chris
     
  5. AtoZ

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    I absolutely agree, and yet it was still what I would call good.
     
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    "The Paradise Syndrome" and "The Empath" both had really memorable scores. And the score for "Spock's Brain" is far better than the episode deserves.
     
  7. scotpens

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    I have to disagree there. Sol Kaplan, Gerald Fried, Fred Steiner, and especially George Duning composed some of TOS' best music for third-season episodes. In fact, the quality of the music frequently outshone the scripts and the acting.

    What story? Two aliens come aboard the Enterprise and spout clichés about racism, oppression and bigotry for the next 45 minutes. The "almost self-destruct" sequence is one of the cheapest bits of fake suspense ever written for a TOS episode. Did we really think Kirk was going to blow up the ship?
     
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    All our Yesterdays is the one that immediately comes to mind for me.
     
  9. Forbin

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    I think Frank Gorshin was doing his over-the-top Kirk Douglas impression.
     
  10. mos6507

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    I think you're arguing against the deliberate theatrical writing style of Trek. That's just how the show was, more about ideas than action. Very few episodes had wall-to-wall action in a modern sense. Balance of Terror is the only one that immediately comes to mind.
     
  11. AtoZ

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    For me The Paradise Syndrome is a marvelous episode that could have been a second season offering. It was perhaps the greatest effort made in S3.....beyond Spectre of the Gun (a work of art that beautifully and creatively utilized its deficits to add to its surreal quality). The Enterprise Incident is an excellent episode marred by the S3 shortage of budget. Oh if they could have given us a better, more original ship interior....a bird of prey, and a perhaps a torture chamber to go with the Romulan Commander's thigh-high boots!
     
  12. Ssosmcin

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    Sol Kaplan didn't compose any music for the third season. His second and final score was for The Doomsday Machine. However, it was tracked in The Lights of Zetar.

    I also agree that the music for the final year was excellent.
     
  13. Trimm

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    "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" could easily fit in earlier seasons with a more polished script. Frank Gorshin is perfect, the actor who plays Lokai does very well with what he is given, and there is aa kernel of the great allegory that TOS did so well. The episode also has some of the better cinemetography of the third season. Yes, the Batman homage with the red alert is dumb, but the entire self destruct sequence is shot at least ambitiously, though not perfectly (teeth closeups eesh). In particular, I love the reaction shots, they contribute mightily to how tense the sequence turns out.
     
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    Honestly not a big fan of "LTBYLB" It is too contrived and was a left over script from the beginning of the series that never really got polished enough IMO. I do find interesting the episodes that people like.
     
  15. Forbin

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    The closeup of Scotty's teeth skeeves me out.

    Not to mention Gorshin's package. But at least that wasn't in closeup.

    I think the black/white makeup in Battlefield might have been a bit more believable if it wasn't so hard-edged. Maybe an irregular transition, a fade, or even or a pinto-pony kind of thing ("He is black with white blotches; I am white with black blotches!").

    Or maybe there was just no good way to do that.
     
  16. CrazyMatt

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    :eek:

    Why not with different colors? How about red aliens vs. blue?

    Hmmm... red vs. blue.... on second thought that sounds a little too close to contemporary political strife. How about red/blue vs. blue/red?:drool:
     
  17. mos6507

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    Plausibility aside, the iconography of half-black/half-white was indelible, especially to impressionable kids who grew up with Trek in reruns, and they even made a rare Mego figure of them. And in the movie-era, the episode gained renewed importance due to the homage to the self-destruct sequence.

    So what's true about Trek is that even some of the lesser stories have something really memorable about them. I can't say the same about the lesser-quality TNG-era shows. Some of them are so forgettable and if you ripped them out of canon, nobody would notice.

    BTW, here's a cat that's half black on one side. A rare mutation to be sure, but nature is nothing if not varied.
     
  18. ToddPence

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    Re: Third season episodes that have the quality of the first two seaon

    The same goes for Ds9's Ferengi-centered episodes.
     
  19. LOKAI of CHERON

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    I don't know, the blatant make-up in Battlefield is actually part of its great appeal for me! Quirky Star Trek Sci-Fi "coolness" at its best. As others have said, Gorshin's turn as Bele is superb, as was Lou Antonio's Lokai!!!

    I pretty much love everything about the episode, I couldn't care less if it's "too obvious". It's super enjoyable and entertains the heck out of me - that's all I really care about.
     
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  20. scotpens

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    Re: Third season episodes that have the quality of the first two seaon

    Or star-bellied vs. plain-bellied?

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