Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Flying Spaghetti Monster, Jun 6, 2012.
And Barb Wire, which I confess I've never seen.
Barb Wire is only worth watching with the right bottle of spirits. It tanked at the B.O.
Timecop actually did decent though. This was back when the internet was still $1.99 a minute and it was easier to get news through a magazine but I recall there were talks of a sequel. Details escape me but I did like Timecop. Haven't see in it 15+yrs, wonder if it holds up?
Well, I'm skeptical of news that nameless "sources" provide to industry blogs. It wasn't that long ago that TrekMovie.com's anonymous sources "confirmed" that Leonard Nimoy would be in the upcoming Trek movie, which Nimoy soon refuted, and that Khan would be the villain, which Simon Pegg later shot down.
Also, as a rule, I'm skeptical of rumors that are exactly what you'd expect to hear, because they could easily be invented by people with no actual inside knowledge. In this case, though, I'll grant it's plausible that WB would've developed a plan like this in response to Marvel. But I'll wait for further confirmation before I assume it's all true.
I dunno, I do think Captain America might've been a stronger film if it hadn't needed to climax with Cap getting trapped in the ice and revived in the present. It might've been nice to get 2-3 WWII-era Cap films before getting him to that point.
Still, I don't really object to the idea of the prior films being lead-ins to The Avengers. Sure, movies are usually meant to stand on their own, but the whole thing that's cool about the Marvel Cinematic Universe is that it's not something that's been done before. These movies are meant to be an interconnected meta-series, and I don't see how that's a bad thing. It's great that these movies feel like parts of a greater universe, that they affect each other and feed into each other. I think there's a nice progression in the past four films -- Fury fills in Tony on the Avengers Initiative, then Coulson splits off to deal with the Asgardian incursion, which brings in Selvig, who gets introduced to the Tesseract; and then we flash back to the story of how the Tesseract came into play, which is also the backstory of Captain America; and then all those threads come together when Loki invades. It's very deftly done. If anything, I regret that The Incredible Hulk doesn't fit into the tapestry better than it does.
I think it kinda goes beyond just the storylines and easter eggs though. To me it felt like those movies all suffered a bit from having to share the same basic style and tone as one another. They were all constrained by this grand Marvel plan, and weren't really allowed to breathe and be their own thing like maybe they should have.
There was no room for anything as bright and comic booky as Raimi's Spider-Man, or as dark and gritty as Nolan's Batman. Nothing really stood out, and it was all just a bit too.... samey samey for my taste.
Obviously it paid off well with the Avengers; I just that Thor and Captain America had felt like more than just a warm-up act.
Timecop II the Berlin Decision
Jason Scott Lee had to save Hitler from being executed by a rogue Timecop.
There was also a 9 episode long TV show that had one episode where Bruce Campbell portrayed a visiting Timecop who played it fast and loose with the rules.
And there was also a short-lived line of tie-novels, at least some of which were published after the tv show had already gone off the air. Not an ideal scenario!
I didn't feel they were required to have the same style and tone. I mean, Thor's Shakespearean grandeur and Captain America's WWII grittiness felt very different to me. Yes, they share a world, but it's a large and diverse world with a lot of history.
Again, I'm not sure it's entirely fair to judge things that were meant to be an integrated series by the same standards you'd use for things that were meant to be separate, self-contained movies. Although I did feel there's been a reasonable amount of diversity within the movies, I don't count it as a negative that they feel like they fit together in the same reality, because that's the whole idea. That's what makes this something new in the feature film industry. We've had film series before, even had the occasional crossover between separate film franchises (like Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man or Aliens vs. Predator, or the '40s RKO films that crossed radio stars Fibber McGee & Molly with Edgar Bergen & Charlie McCarthy), but this, a whole shared universe built from the ground up with the purpose of supporting multiple interrelated series, is virtually unprecedented (though maybe the universe of Kevin Smith's various films comes close).
I've never been a Green Arrow fan (just never paid much attention to the character), but I'm still intrigued by that Supermax idea that was floating around a few years back.
I don't think it'll be good but next stop Netflix, I'll add it to the queue. Somewhere down the list.
AND there was a 9 episode TV show.
Amazing what you can miss in the blink of the internet.
The lead in the TV show was "Andy". Shannon Dohertry's cop love interest from the first season (or two?) of Charmed.
Not an obvious leading man, but he has his moments.
Right. A JLA movie out of nowhere is absurdly reactionary.
They need a plan as opposed to retroactively sticking their existing movie characters into a movie.
I'm not familiar with Cosmic Book News, so I don't know what their track record on claiming insider scoops is, but they're really going to town in claims of what they've supposedly learned from a WB insider. Obviously this should be taken with copious amounts of salt, but here's what they're saying:
I'm not familiar with Cosmic Book News either.
I would say looking at that list, with salt in hand, that at least one discrepancy occurs to me.
Man of Steel can't be a chapter one if you are also going to have Reynolds GL back AND not flatly ignore events in that film. That would make GL defacto chapter one to a viewer regardless of what is on a "master plan".
Another issue I'd address is why would Lobo be part of the JLA master plan if the film doesn't affect anything else. It's a pointless "chapter two" is it not?
Just those things alone make me think this bullet list sounds like someone throwing all DC comic news into one pile and running with it. A fangasam list if you will.
(Responding to two posts up) Okay, now, except for the mentions of specific names like Winding Refn and Beall, all of those are things that any random fan could've guessed or imagined seeing. So color me skeptical that it's all true.
Cosmic Movie News is like Comic Book Movies IMO. The site last year claimed they had script information from "Man of Steel". No other site managed to pick on that...to me they're both the same type of site.
Those specific names are available to random fans. Beall has been officially announced as the writer on Justice League, while Winding Refn has stated that he wants to direct Wonder Woman and that WB has said they might give him a shot at it if Logan's Run turns out well.
That's what these type of sites do IMO. They take rumors they see off legit reports from other sites and then they compile up "reports" of their own and sort "sources" (never revealing them) and 99.1 percent of the time they're wrong. Basically they make stuff up.
The bullet point about the Green Lantern sequel makes me laugh. We've known that a treatment was written for a couple of years now. "The situation is unclear". No it isn't. LOL. The first movie bombed, and now DC Ent is trying to figure out what to do (if anything) (yes I've given up on a GL sequel now myself).
The good thing about a JL movie is that you'll have a character like Batman that people will pay to see supporting the more unknown DC characters.
Is a JL film greed? More like common sense. I'm glad they waited until Nolan was finished to get started on this. I wonder if they'll use any of the costumes made for Miller's planned JL film.
All that would be cool if true (would love to see a separate Flash and WW movie, and as one of the few fans of the GL movie, it'd be cool to see Reynolds return as well). But I'm not going to hold my breath.
I really don't understand the Lobo thing though. He's such a ridiculous character, and I don't know why Warners would even want to waste their time with him.
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